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Attributes | |
ACN | 558324 |
Time | |
Date | 200208 |
Day | Fri |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ile.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | military facility : grk.milfac |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors departure sid : lamps 1 enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 558324 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 558323 |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Pilot Deviation Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Clearance was radar vectors jen, JEN6, dfw, 11000 ft, departure 120.07. Usually this clearance results in gray departure giving us a left turn in lieu of right turn on lamps 1 departure. Upon receiving release clearance from gray while on the ground at ile, we were instructed to fly heading 300 degrees, released for departure. After takeoff, acceleration altitude, and flap retraction (flaps 15 degrees takeoff), we turned left to the 300 degree heading. After calling departure control, a different controller informed us that all turns from ile should be right turns when departing runway 1. He also stated that gray cannot issue a turn out of ile because it is an uncontrolled field, but further stated that he would specify left turn out if that was what he intended. This statement seems to contradict itself. In the past, we have received the left turn out from gray when given a radar vector clearance in lieu of the lamps departure. Shortly after this, the controller who gave us the clearance while on the ground at ile (the heading of 300 degrees), came on the radio and said it was ok because the other controller had not received the information that we would be flying this heading. He implied to us that the way we departed ile was the way he intended -- even though the other controller was upset about it. The controller who gave us the clearance then gave us continuous radar vectors around the restr airspace. We are unsure whether or not we entered the restr airspace. This controller also stated that the incident was 'no problem.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SAAB 340 DEPARTS UNCTLED ARPT AND DOES NOT EXECUTE THE PUBLISHED DEP AND ENTERS RESTR AIRSPACE.
Narrative: CLRNC WAS RADAR VECTORS JEN, JEN6, DFW, 11000 FT, DEP 120.07. USUALLY THIS CLRNC RESULTS IN GRAY DEP GIVING US A L TURN IN LIEU OF R TURN ON LAMPS 1 DEP. UPON RECEIVING RELEASE CLRNC FROM GRAY WHILE ON THE GND AT ILE, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO FLY HDG 300 DEGS, RELEASED FOR DEP. AFTER TKOF, ACCELERATION ALT, AND FLAP RETRACTION (FLAPS 15 DEGS TKOF), WE TURNED L TO THE 300 DEG HDG. AFTER CALLING DEP CTL, A DIFFERENT CTLR INFORMED US THAT ALL TURNS FROM ILE SHOULD BE R TURNS WHEN DEPARTING RWY 1. HE ALSO STATED THAT GRAY CANNOT ISSUE A TURN OUT OF ILE BECAUSE IT IS AN UNCTLED FIELD, BUT FURTHER STATED THAT HE WOULD SPECIFY L TURN OUT IF THAT WAS WHAT HE INTENDED. THIS STATEMENT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT ITSELF. IN THE PAST, WE HAVE RECEIVED THE L TURN OUT FROM GRAY WHEN GIVEN A RADAR VECTOR CLRNC IN LIEU OF THE LAMPS DEP. SHORTLY AFTER THIS, THE CTLR WHO GAVE US THE CLRNC WHILE ON THE GND AT ILE (THE HDG OF 300 DEGS), CAME ON THE RADIO AND SAID IT WAS OK BECAUSE THE OTHER CTLR HAD NOT RECEIVED THE INFO THAT WE WOULD BE FLYING THIS HDG. HE IMPLIED TO US THAT THE WAY WE DEPARTED ILE WAS THE WAY HE INTENDED -- EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER CTLR WAS UPSET ABOUT IT. THE CTLR WHO GAVE US THE CLRNC THEN GAVE US CONTINUOUS RADAR VECTORS AROUND THE RESTR AIRSPACE. WE ARE UNSURE WHETHER OR NOT WE ENTERED THE RESTR AIRSPACE. THIS CTLR ALSO STATED THAT THE INCIDENT WAS 'NO PROB.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.