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Attributes | |
ACN | 559185 |
Time | |
Date | 200209 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fmn.airport |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : hgr.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Twin Beech 18 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : fmn.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 36 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 559185 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters other incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After contacting fmn ground, I was cleared to taxi to runway 25. There is quite a bit of training for a commuter airline at this field using beech bonanzas. While taxiing to the runway, a training company bonanza exited the runway and taxied across my taxiway -- not close enough to be dangerous, but close enough to get my attention. As I approached the end of the taxiway, I noticed another training company bonanza in the run-up area. While I was watching him, he pulled forward a few ft, probably because his brakes slipped during engine run-up. I pulled left and sped up slightly to get around him. At that point, I contacted tower and said I was ready to go. Tower informed me that I had taxied past the hold short line. I immediately stopped and the tower asked the landing traffic to do a 360 degree turn and then cleared me to take off. While taking off, I observed the hold short line was a long distance back from the runway -- right after the run-up area. While giving the bonanza in the run-up area a wide margin, I had taxied past the line. I never noticed it. I expected the line to be much further ahead, nearer the runway. The controllers were quite professional and the fault was entirely mine. It may help to either move the hold short line or put the higher visibility markers on it that some other airports use, since the line is adjacent to a run-up area and quite a ways back from the runway. I should have stopped in the run-up area. Sometimes I do not do a run-up if I have just stopped for a short time. I realize now that the run-up gives the pilot time to get ready too. I also expected the hold short line to be closer to the runway after the curve. I will not make assumptions like that again. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter pilot said this particular BE18 has a nosewheel and larger engines. He stated a non pilot was occupying the right seat and that his view on the right side was somewhat limited. Approaching the runway, the tower asked if he was ready or planned a run-up. He decided not to make a run-up and told the tower he was ready to go. Looking back, he said he should have stopped and done a run-up.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B18 PLT AT FMN PASSES HOLD SHORT LINE DURING TAXI TO RWY.
Narrative: AFTER CONTACTING FMN GND, I WAS CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 25. THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF TRAINING FOR A COMMUTER AIRLINE AT THIS FIELD USING BEECH BONANZAS. WHILE TAXIING TO THE RWY, A TRAINING COMPANY BONANZA EXITED THE RWY AND TAXIED ACROSS MY TXWY -- NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET MY ATTN. AS I APCHED THE END OF THE TXWY, I NOTICED ANOTHER TRAINING COMPANY BONANZA IN THE RUN-UP AREA. WHILE I WAS WATCHING HIM, HE PULLED FORWARD A FEW FT, PROBABLY BECAUSE HIS BRAKES SLIPPED DURING ENG RUN-UP. I PULLED L AND SPED UP SLIGHTLY TO GET AROUND HIM. AT THAT POINT, I CONTACTED TWR AND SAID I WAS READY TO GO. TWR INFORMED ME THAT I HAD TAXIED PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE. I IMMEDIATELY STOPPED AND THE TWR ASKED THE LNDG TFC TO DO A 360 DEG TURN AND THEN CLRED ME TO TAKE OFF. WHILE TAKING OFF, I OBSERVED THE HOLD SHORT LINE WAS A LONG DISTANCE BACK FROM THE RWY -- RIGHT AFTER THE RUN-UP AREA. WHILE GIVING THE BONANZA IN THE RUN-UP AREA A WIDE MARGIN, I HAD TAXIED PAST THE LINE. I NEVER NOTICED IT. I EXPECTED THE LINE TO BE MUCH FURTHER AHEAD, NEARER THE RWY. THE CTLRS WERE QUITE PROFESSIONAL AND THE FAULT WAS ENTIRELY MINE. IT MAY HELP TO EITHER MOVE THE HOLD SHORT LINE OR PUT THE HIGHER VISIBILITY MARKERS ON IT THAT SOME OTHER ARPTS USE, SINCE THE LINE IS ADJACENT TO A RUN-UP AREA AND QUITE A WAYS BACK FROM THE RWY. I SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IN THE RUN-UP AREA. SOMETIMES I DO NOT DO A RUN-UP IF I HAVE JUST STOPPED FOR A SHORT TIME. I REALIZE NOW THAT THE RUN-UP GIVES THE PLT TIME TO GET READY TOO. I ALSO EXPECTED THE HOLD SHORT LINE TO BE CLOSER TO THE RWY AFTER THE CURVE. I WILL NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS LIKE THAT AGAIN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR PLT SAID THIS PARTICULAR BE18 HAS A NOSEWHEEL AND LARGER ENGS. HE STATED A NON PLT WAS OCCUPYING THE R SEAT AND THAT HIS VIEW ON THE R SIDE WAS SOMEWHAT LIMITED. APCHING THE RWY, THE TWR ASKED IF HE WAS READY OR PLANNED A RUN-UP. HE DECIDED NOT TO MAKE A RUN-UP AND TOLD THE TWR HE WAS READY TO GO. LOOKING BACK, HE SAID HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED AND DONE A RUN-UP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.