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B737 crew is concerned when given a vector for a visual approach to dtw but is kept at a high altitude and speed until close to the airport, then cleared and released to the tower.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 559992 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200209 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dtw.airport |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : d21.tracon tower : stl.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual approach : traffic pattern |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2322 |
| ASRS Report | 559992 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On approach to dtw runway 3R, we were kept high on the downwind with a speed assignment. Approach turned us in tight with a clearance for the visual. It took aggressive configuring of the aircraft to meet the profile and speed requirements of a stabilized approach. We were stable as required by our fom at our target altitude of 1000 ft. As pilots we continue to receive guidance and reminders of the importance of the safety aspects of a stabilized approach. Who is watching these controllers? Dtw is known for their high and fast turn on's. A less experienced pilot would've quickly got behind. Please get these approach controllers on the same page as our FAA approved training. In addition to the safety aspect of these sits they are very uncomfortable for our passenger.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 CREW IS CONCERNED WHEN GIVEN A VECTOR FOR A VISUAL APCH TO DTW BUT IS KEPT AT A HIGH ALT AND SPD UNTIL CLOSE TO THE ARPT, THEN CLRED AND RELEASED TO THE TWR.
Narrative: ON APCH TO DTW RWY 3R, WE WERE KEPT HIGH ON THE DOWNWIND WITH A SPD ASSIGNMENT. APCH TURNED US IN TIGHT WITH A CLRNC FOR THE VISUAL. IT TOOK AGGRESSIVE CONFIGURING OF THE ACFT TO MEET THE PROFILE AND SPD REQUIREMENTS OF A STABILIZED APCH. WE WERE STABLE AS REQUIRED BY OUR FOM AT OUR TARGET ALT OF 1000 FT. AS PLTS WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE GUIDANCE AND REMINDERS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF A STABILIZED APCH. WHO IS WATCHING THESE CTLRS? DTW IS KNOWN FOR THEIR HIGH AND FAST TURN ON'S. A LESS EXPERIENCED PLT WOULD'VE QUICKLY GOT BEHIND. PLEASE GET THESE APCH CTLRS ON THE SAME PAGE AS OUR FAA APPROVED TRAINING. IN ADDITION TO THE SAFETY ASPECT OF THESE SITS THEY ARE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR OUR PAX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.