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Attributes | |
ACN | 561879 |
Time | |
Date | 200210 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ggg.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : vny.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Champion Citabria |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ggg.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | J3 Cub |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 94 flight time total : 450 flight time type : 56 |
ASRS Report | 561879 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | ground encounters other non adherence : far non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
My student and I were coming in for our last landing after several times around the pattern. I told him to show me a short field landing. During our approach we came in too low and our tailwheel touched the ground briefly (in the grass) prior to the runway. We added a touch of power and landed on the runway. Tower asked if we were alright as we taxied off the runway, and I said we were fine. I finished paperwork with my student and then went to tell my supervisor. Meanwhile, airport security officer drove over to our hangar and asked to see my driver's license and flight certificates. We walked out to the airplane. He wrote down my information, requested my student's information and requested that maintenance (our mechanics) check it out for any damage. He left after that and I went in to one of our mechanics and made him aware of the situation. He checked it out and said there was no damage, there wasn't even any sign of dirt or grass. One of the things the security officer had mentioned to me was that he checked out the grass prior to runway 35, where I tapped the tailwheel, and reported seeing 43 yards of tracks in the grass. He said that could have been considered an accident. I know that we did not drag our tailwheel for 43 yards, and if we had even 1/2 that distance, there would have been evidence in our tailwheel. A second piece of information came to light a few hours after this happened. A gentleman and a student were in this man's piper cub flying around the pattern the previous wkend. The piper cub had tundra tires on it, so this gentleman wanted to land in the grass to prevent the tires from getting worn down on the pavement. He intentionally landed his conventional gear piper cub short of the runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CH71 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT LANDED SHORT OF RWY 35 AT GGG.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE COMING IN FOR OUR LAST LNDG AFTER SEVERAL TIMES AROUND THE PATTERN. I TOLD HIM TO SHOW ME A SHORT FIELD LNDG. DURING OUR APCH WE CAME IN TOO LOW AND OUR TAILWHEEL TOUCHED THE GND BRIEFLY (IN THE GRASS) PRIOR TO THE RWY. WE ADDED A TOUCH OF PWR AND LANDED ON THE RWY. TWR ASKED IF WE WERE ALRIGHT AS WE TAXIED OFF THE RWY, AND I SAID WE WERE FINE. I FINISHED PAPERWORK WITH MY STUDENT AND THEN WENT TO TELL MY SUPVR. MEANWHILE, ARPT SECURITY OFFICER DROVE OVER TO OUR HANGAR AND ASKED TO SEE MY DRIVER'S LICENSE AND FLT CERTIFICATES. WE WALKED OUT TO THE AIRPLANE. HE WROTE DOWN MY INFO, REQUESTED MY STUDENT'S INFO AND REQUESTED THAT MAINT (OUR MECHS) CHK IT OUT FOR ANY DAMAGE. HE LEFT AFTER THAT AND I WENT IN TO ONE OF OUR MECHS AND MADE HIM AWARE OF THE SIT. HE CHKED IT OUT AND SAID THERE WAS NO DAMAGE, THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY SIGN OF DIRT OR GRASS. ONE OF THE THINGS THE SECURITY OFFICER HAD MENTIONED TO ME WAS THAT HE CHKED OUT THE GRASS PRIOR TO RWY 35, WHERE I TAPPED THE TAILWHEEL, AND RPTED SEEING 43 YARDS OF TRACKS IN THE GRASS. HE SAID THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AN ACCIDENT. I KNOW THAT WE DID NOT DRAG OUR TAILWHEEL FOR 43 YARDS, AND IF WE HAD EVEN 1/2 THAT DISTANCE, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN EVIDENCE IN OUR TAILWHEEL. A SECOND PIECE OF INFO CAME TO LIGHT A FEW HRS AFTER THIS HAPPENED. A GENTLEMAN AND A STUDENT WERE IN THIS MAN'S PIPER CUB FLYING AROUND THE PATTERN THE PREVIOUS WKEND. THE PIPER CUB HAD TUNDRA TIRES ON IT, SO THIS GENTLEMAN WANTED TO LAND IN THE GRASS TO PREVENT THE TIRES FROM GETTING WORN DOWN ON THE PAVEMENT. HE INTENTIONALLY LANDED HIS CONVENTIONAL GEAR PIPER CUB SHORT OF THE RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.