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Attributes | |
ACN | 562026 |
Time | |
Date | 200210 |
Day | Thu |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lfpg.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lfpg.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 8r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer observation : company check pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 562026 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Company Chart Or Publication Airport Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
During approach to land at cdg, the relief pilot gave us the altimeter setting as we left 6000 ft on approach for runway 8R. Visual day with lowest clouds at base 500 ft or so. I was flying. Approach was normal, except we got into some low clouds just above the decision altitude. We got the runway in sight and landed normally. We noticed that all of the altimeters read zero. The relief pilot was within 2 yrs of service here and he had copied the QFE altimeter setting that the french still broadcast on their ATIS. He had no idea about QFE! I have never included this information in any of my atl or airport briefs for europe. I should have picked this up when the relief pilot said he had the altimeter setting for runway 8R. I have not thought about QFE in yrs, however, the captain was on a requalification from atl and was the PNF. He said he had also never thought about the QFE system since we converted. The ground school should mention this little quirk at least for the new people who have no idea what the QFE system was. I will include it in all of my briefs in the future.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767-ER FLT MAKES AN APCH TO RWY 8R WITH THE ALTIMETER SET TO QFE AS COPIED OFF THE ATIS AT LFPG, FO.
Narrative: DURING APCH TO LAND AT CDG, THE RELIEF PLT GAVE US THE ALTIMETER SETTING AS WE LEFT 6000 FT ON APCH FOR RWY 8R. VISUAL DAY WITH LOWEST CLOUDS AT BASE 500 FT OR SO. I WAS FLYING. APCH WAS NORMAL, EXCEPT WE GOT INTO SOME LOW CLOUDS JUST ABOVE THE DECISION ALT. WE GOT THE RWY IN SIGHT AND LANDED NORMALLY. WE NOTICED THAT ALL OF THE ALTIMETERS READ ZERO. THE RELIEF PLT WAS WITHIN 2 YRS OF SVC HERE AND HE HAD COPIED THE QFE ALTIMETER SETTING THAT THE FRENCH STILL BROADCAST ON THEIR ATIS. HE HAD NO IDEA ABOUT QFE! I HAVE NEVER INCLUDED THIS INFO IN ANY OF MY ATL OR ARPT BRIEFS FOR EUROPE. I SHOULD HAVE PICKED THIS UP WHEN THE RELIEF PLT SAID HE HAD THE ALTIMETER SETTING FOR RWY 8R. I HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT QFE IN YRS, HOWEVER, THE CAPT WAS ON A REQUALIFICATION FROM ATL AND WAS THE PNF. HE SAID HE HAD ALSO NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE QFE SYS SINCE WE CONVERTED. THE GND SCHOOL SHOULD MENTION THIS LITTLE QUIRK AT LEAST FOR THE NEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE QFE SYS WAS. I WILL INCLUDE IT IN ALL OF MY BRIEFS IN THE FUTURE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.