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Some temporary clearance confusion in the cockpit of a B757 from hawaii when ATC amends their route for a night clearance from the west into lax, ca.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 562041 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200210 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : ficky |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc tower : anc.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival star : leena enroute : pacific |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 562041 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Airport ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Chart | star : leena |
Narrative:
We were filed the leena 3 arrival. As we approached fickey, we were cleared to a point 25 mi west of lax on the lax 250 degree radial. This sounds simple enough, except that we felt the wording of the clearance was not clear enough and had to ask 3 times for verification. At the end of a red-eye, it took us a min to load the box and begin tracking to the cleared point. In the meantime, ATC asked us if we were proceeding to that point. Within seconds we were, but I became concerned that might be an issue with the controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SOME TEMPORARY CLRNC CONFUSION IN THE COCKPIT OF A B757 FROM HAWAII WHEN ATC AMENDS THEIR RTE FOR A NIGHT CLRNC FROM THE W INTO LAX, CA.
Narrative: WE WERE FILED THE LEENA 3 ARR. AS WE APCHED FICKEY, WE WERE CLRED TO A POINT 25 MI W OF LAX ON THE LAX 250 DEG RADIAL. THIS SOUNDS SIMPLE ENOUGH, EXCEPT THAT WE FELT THE WORDING OF THE CLRNC WAS NOT CLR ENOUGH AND HAD TO ASK 3 TIMES FOR VERIFICATION. AT THE END OF A RED-EYE, IT TOOK US A MIN TO LOAD THE BOX AND BEGIN TRACKING TO THE CLRED POINT. IN THE MEANTIME, ATC ASKED US IF WE WERE PROCEEDING TO THAT POINT. WITHIN SECONDS WE WERE, BUT I BECAME CONCERNED THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WITH THE CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.