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Attributes | |
ACN | 563593 |
Time | |
Date | 200210 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca.airport |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : iad.tracon tower : dca.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure : other published ifr departure |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 |
ASRS Report | 563593 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather ATC Human Performance Airport Airspace Structure Chart Or Publication Company FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : dca.airport |
Airspace Structure | special use : p56.prohibited |
Publication | NOISE ABATEMENT DCA |
Narrative:
Today we took off on runway 1 at dca, expected the 'noise abatement and prohibited area (P56) avoidance procedure' using the 'northeast' procedure. ATC told us the winds at the time of takeoff were 080 degrees at 10 KTS. From the sound of the tower's voice, we may have tracked precariously close to P56. On the radar altimeter we began turning no later than 80 ft AGL and even with a full 30 degrees banked turn, ATC told us to steepen up the bank, which we did. The point is, this 'northeast' procedure probably meets or exceeds the limitations of most jet aircraft to perform, and I think it should be eliminated. An easier solution would be a continuous left turn to 080 degrees, thence maintaining a track east of the ana costa river, paralleling it until whatever comes next. The diagram on plate 10-4C is, as printed, not to scale. If it were to scale, I doubt if it would be used. When we finally rolled out of our turn, our nation's capitol building was very close off my left shoulder. At least during this time when fighter escort and possible worse scenarios exist, I don't see why we should put ourselves and our passenger in harms way.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CANADAIR RJ PIC HAS A DIFFICULT TIME AVOIDING THE P56 PROHIBITED AREA WHEN USING THE NE NOISE ABATEMENT PROC DEP RWY 1 AT DCA, DC.
Narrative: TODAY WE TOOK OFF ON RWY 1 AT DCA, EXPECTED THE 'NOISE ABATEMENT AND PROHIBITED AREA (P56) AVOIDANCE PROC' USING THE 'NE' PROC. ATC TOLD US THE WINDS AT THE TIME OF TKOF WERE 080 DEGS AT 10 KTS. FROM THE SOUND OF THE TWR'S VOICE, WE MAY HAVE TRACKED PRECARIOUSLY CLOSE TO P56. ON THE RADAR ALTIMETER WE BEGAN TURNING NO LATER THAN 80 FT AGL AND EVEN WITH A FULL 30 DEGS BANKED TURN, ATC TOLD US TO STEEPEN UP THE BANK, WHICH WE DID. THE POINT IS, THIS 'NE' PROC PROBABLY MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE LIMITATIONS OF MOST JET ACFT TO PERFORM, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. AN EASIER SOLUTION WOULD BE A CONTINUOUS L TURN TO 080 DEGS, THENCE MAINTAINING A TRACK E OF THE ANA COSTA RIVER, PARALLELING IT UNTIL WHATEVER COMES NEXT. THE DIAGRAM ON PLATE 10-4C IS, AS PRINTED, NOT TO SCALE. IF IT WERE TO SCALE, I DOUBT IF IT WOULD BE USED. WHEN WE FINALLY ROLLED OUT OF OUR TURN, OUR NATION'S CAPITOL BUILDING WAS VERY CLOSE OFF MY L SHOULDER. AT LEAST DURING THIS TIME WHEN FIGHTER ESCORT AND POSSIBLE WORSE SCENARIOS EXIST, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD PUT OURSELVES AND OUR PAX IN HARMS WAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.