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Attributes | |
ACN | 567024 |
Time | |
Date | 200211 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : teb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : teb.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 530 |
ASRS Report | 567024 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 567179 |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were established on the VOR DME-a approach into teb. Prior to clifo intersection, tower controller instructed, 'after clifo intersection, maintain 1500 ft until further instructed. Also, 170 KTS or greater.' we complied. After clifo intersection, before we crossed over the airport, the tower cleared us for the visual, called out 2 aircraft ahead in the landing pattern and their position at the time, then stated we were '#3, cleared to land runway 19.' we acknowledged. We crossed the airport to the ene, and began to parallel runway 6/24. We were still looking at 1500 ft and 170 KTS or greater. The PF was maintaining a right angle to runway 19L downwind because we were still looking for traffic ahead and did not want to turn inside that traffic in the pattern. (It was difficult to see because of closeness to all the ground clutter of lights.) tower said to slow. I (PNF) queried what speed he would like. He responded 180 KTS. I advised we were at 175 KTS (he had instructed us to maintain 170 KTS or greater). So, I replied, '180 KTS.' (we then had to increase airspeed to comply with his slow-down instruction.) I had been using FMS to maintain situational awareness with proximity to downwind. I could not see runways from my side of the aircraft. I was also looking outside for traffic. My workload was doubled because all our lights behind the FMS and flight director had gone out. Each time we were issued a confign change, I had to use a flashlight to do so. At this point, tower controller yelled we were too far north. We were violating lga airspace, to turn downwind. About 60-90 seconds before he said that, we had already angled back to the left and onto a left downwind for runway 19, but only after our traffic was in sight to our left. I double checked the FMS again. At no time were we ever more than 3 mi from the center of teb, heading approximately 070 degrees. Our impression was the tower was confused about the instructions he was issuing to us. Immediately prior to the left base turn, tower again said, 'I need you to slow!' I responded we were at 140 KTS. Once again, he cleared us to land. Then he came back as we were in our turn and said, 'I told you to maintain 1500 ft. Confirm you are now at 1000 ft.' I responded only, 'understand we are cleared to land runway 19.' when I had observed PF beginning descent, I started to advise him to stop (I saw him turn the altitude pre-selector and simultaneously begin descending). However, I then realized we had already been cleared for the visual once and to land twice, therefore, he was acting appropriately. As we crossed the runway threshold, 50-75 ft, the tower instructed a 'go around!' the preceding aircraft had not cleared the end of the runway. We complied. On upwind, tower instructed, 'make left traffic, runway 19, cleared to land.' we acknowledged and complied. After touchdown, tower instructed us to clear (exit) to the right and contact ground. I double checked the class B airspace for lga. At 1500 ft, heading 070 degrees, paralleling runway 6/24 at 3 NM, we were not in class B airspace. Also, after 2 landing clrncs, I do not believe we violated any altitude restr.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE40 CREW ENTERED LGA CLASS B AIRSPACE WHILE ON A CIRCLING APCH TO TEB RWY 19.
Narrative: WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON THE VOR DME-A APCH INTO TEB. PRIOR TO CLIFO INTXN, TWR CTLR INSTRUCTED, 'AFTER CLIFO INTXN, MAINTAIN 1500 FT UNTIL FURTHER INSTRUCTED. ALSO, 170 KTS OR GREATER.' WE COMPLIED. AFTER CLIFO INTXN, BEFORE WE CROSSED OVER THE ARPT, THE TWR CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL, CALLED OUT 2 ACFT AHEAD IN THE LNDG PATTERN AND THEIR POS AT THE TIME, THEN STATED WE WERE '#3, CLRED TO LAND RWY 19.' WE ACKNOWLEDGED. WE CROSSED THE ARPT TO THE ENE, AND BEGAN TO PARALLEL RWY 6/24. WE WERE STILL LOOKING AT 1500 FT AND 170 KTS OR GREATER. THE PF WAS MAINTAINING A R ANGLE TO RWY 19L DOWNWIND BECAUSE WE WERE STILL LOOKING FOR TFC AHEAD AND DID NOT WANT TO TURN INSIDE THAT TFC IN THE PATTERN. (IT WAS DIFFICULT TO SEE BECAUSE OF CLOSENESS TO ALL THE GND CLUTTER OF LIGHTS.) TWR SAID TO SLOW. I (PNF) QUERIED WHAT SPD HE WOULD LIKE. HE RESPONDED 180 KTS. I ADVISED WE WERE AT 175 KTS (HE HAD INSTRUCTED US TO MAINTAIN 170 KTS OR GREATER). SO, I REPLIED, '180 KTS.' (WE THEN HAD TO INCREASE AIRSPD TO COMPLY WITH HIS SLOW-DOWN INSTRUCTION.) I HAD BEEN USING FMS TO MAINTAIN SITUATIONAL AWARENESS WITH PROX TO DOWNWIND. I COULD NOT SEE RWYS FROM MY SIDE OF THE ACFT. I WAS ALSO LOOKING OUTSIDE FOR TFC. MY WORKLOAD WAS DOUBLED BECAUSE ALL OUR LIGHTS BEHIND THE FMS AND FLT DIRECTOR HAD GONE OUT. EACH TIME WE WERE ISSUED A CONFIGN CHANGE, I HAD TO USE A FLASHLIGHT TO DO SO. AT THIS POINT, TWR CTLR YELLED WE WERE TOO FAR N. WE WERE VIOLATING LGA AIRSPACE, TO TURN DOWNWIND. ABOUT 60-90 SECONDS BEFORE HE SAID THAT, WE HAD ALREADY ANGLED BACK TO THE L AND ONTO A L DOWNWIND FOR RWY 19, BUT ONLY AFTER OUR TFC WAS IN SIGHT TO OUR L. I DOUBLE CHKED THE FMS AGAIN. AT NO TIME WERE WE EVER MORE THAN 3 MI FROM THE CTR OF TEB, HDG APPROX 070 DEGS. OUR IMPRESSION WAS THE TWR WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THE INSTRUCTIONS HE WAS ISSUING TO US. IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE L BASE TURN, TWR AGAIN SAID, 'I NEED YOU TO SLOW!' I RESPONDED WE WERE AT 140 KTS. ONCE AGAIN, HE CLRED US TO LAND. THEN HE CAME BACK AS WE WERE IN OUR TURN AND SAID, 'I TOLD YOU TO MAINTAIN 1500 FT. CONFIRM YOU ARE NOW AT 1000 FT.' I RESPONDED ONLY, 'UNDERSTAND WE ARE CLRED TO LAND RWY 19.' WHEN I HAD OBSERVED PF BEGINNING DSCNT, I STARTED TO ADVISE HIM TO STOP (I SAW HIM TURN THE ALTITUDE PRE-SELECTOR AND SIMULTANEOUSLY BEGIN DSNDING). HOWEVER, I THEN REALIZED WE HAD ALREADY BEEN CLRED FOR THE VISUAL ONCE AND TO LAND TWICE, THEREFORE, HE WAS ACTING APPROPRIATELY. AS WE CROSSED THE RWY THRESHOLD, 50-75 FT, THE TWR INSTRUCTED A 'GAR!' THE PRECEDING ACFT HAD NOT CLRED THE END OF THE RWY. WE COMPLIED. ON UPWIND, TWR INSTRUCTED, 'MAKE L TFC, RWY 19, CLRED TO LAND.' WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND COMPLIED. AFTER TOUCHDOWN, TWR INSTRUCTED US TO CLR (EXIT) TO THE R AND CONTACT GND. I DOUBLE CHKED THE CLASS B AIRSPACE FOR LGA. AT 1500 FT, HDG 070 DEGS, PARALLELING RWY 6/24 AT 3 NM, WE WERE NOT IN CLASS B AIRSPACE. ALSO, AFTER 2 LNDG CLRNCS, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE VIOLATED ANY ALT RESTR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.