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B737 flight crew elects not to accept an approach clearance due to unsatisfactory altitude and distance requirements for approach and landing at kphl.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 571272 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200301 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : phl.tracon |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Rain |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 571272 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Kphl approach cleared me for an approach, and I refused to comply with their clearance. Kphl wanted me to fly an unstabilized approach, I told them 'no,' and told them what I would do. Kphl wanted me to hold 190 KTS to the marker and make an IFR approach at night, in the rain to a damp/wet runway, with a quartering tailwind. We at air carrier X need to clearly explain, in writing, to the kphl approach facility what our stabilized approach parameters are. We need to explain to the approach control facility that there are no exceptions that would allow an unstabilized approach by an air carrier X jet.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 FLC ELECTS NOT TO ACCEPT AN APCH CLRNC DUE TO UNSATISFACTORY ALT AND DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR APCH AND LNDG AT KPHL.
Narrative: KPHL APCH CLRED ME FOR AN APCH, AND I REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THEIR CLRNC. KPHL WANTED ME TO FLY AN UNSTABILIZED APCH, I TOLD THEM 'NO,' AND TOLD THEM WHAT I WOULD DO. KPHL WANTED ME TO HOLD 190 KTS TO THE MARKER AND MAKE AN IFR APCH AT NIGHT, IN THE RAIN TO A DAMP/WET RWY, WITH A QUARTERING TAILWIND. WE AT ACR X NEED TO CLRLY EXPLAIN, IN WRITING, TO THE KPHL APCH FACILITY WHAT OUR STABILIZED APCH PARAMETERS ARE. WE NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THE APCH CTL FACILITY THAT THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW AN UNSTABILIZED APCH BY AN ACR X JET.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.