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Attributes | |
ACN | 571790 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : sunss |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc tracon : p50.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | arrival star : sunns 4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 571790 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
ZAB cleared my aircraft to cross sunss at 250 KTS, 11000 ft MSL. Handed off to phx approach 15-20 NM prior to sunss. Passenger approach clearing aircraft to descend/maintain 8000 ft MSL. While crossing sunss at approximately 12000 ft MSL, controller asks if I was given a prior restr at sunss. I said 'yes, 250 KTS/11000 ft MSL, but you cleared me to 8000 ft MSL.' another aircraft verified that these were my instructions. If the controller wanted me to still cross sunss at 11000 ft MSL, he should have told me to 'descend via the sunss 4 arrival, descend/maintain 8000 ft.' a clearance to descend without a 'via' or other restr eliminates any previous descend instructions per aim.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PHX A319 ARR MISSES ALT RESTR, INCORRECT ATC PHRASEOLOGY.
Narrative: ZAB CLRED MY ACFT TO CROSS SUNSS AT 250 KTS, 11000 FT MSL. HANDED OFF TO PHX APCH 15-20 NM PRIOR TO SUNSS. PAX APCH CLRING ACFT TO DSND/MAINTAIN 8000 FT MSL. WHILE XING SUNSS AT APPROX 12000 FT MSL, CTLR ASKS IF I WAS GIVEN A PRIOR RESTR AT SUNSS. I SAID 'YES, 250 KTS/11000 FT MSL, BUT YOU CLRED ME TO 8000 FT MSL.' ANOTHER ACFT VERIFIED THAT THESE WERE MY INSTRUCTIONS. IF THE CTLR WANTED ME TO STILL CROSS SUNSS AT 11000 FT MSL, HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME TO 'DSND VIA THE SUNSS 4 ARR, DSND/MAINTAIN 8000 FT.' A CLRNC TO DSND WITHOUT A 'VIA' OR OTHER RESTR ELIMINATES ANY PREVIOUS DSND INSTRUCTIONS PER AIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.