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Attributes | |
ACN | 572914 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : idale |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : idale |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time type : 269 |
ASRS Report | 572914 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 572915 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We departed las on the idale 2 departure, and using the LNAV mode, ended up going directly toward oal after idale instead of the departure route to shead intersection, bikkn intersection, then oal VOR. As we made the turn toward oal, ATC queried us and gave us a heading of 240 degrees. He asked where we were headed. We then looked at the departure in the box and saw that it wasn't in there anymore. We had it in the 're' when we checked it at the gate and think that it must have dropped out when we did the runway update, we did not check it again after the update. This is the first time that the departure SID wasn't flown, as it was supposed to be flown, and since I am pretty new with the B757 coming, off the B727. I have always followed SID myself and not trusted the box to fly it by itself. I was always told to 'relax, it will do fine.' I started to count on the autoplt to fly it as it was supposed to and got a little lax. Lesson learned! Always back it up and don't relax. Garbage in, garbage out. If the route isn't in there or it drops out, you're not going to fly what you're thinking you'll fly. Supplemental information from acn 572915: in the turn from idale direct to oal, the departure controller corrected our heading (about 30 degrees) to re-establish us on the idale 2 departure. I spoke with the departure supervisor when we arrived in sfo and told him the series of events from our viewpoint.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DEPENDING ON THE RNAV SYS, AN ACR CREW HAS A TRACK DEV ON THE IDALE RNAV 2 DEP FROM LAS, NV. THAT IS QUICKLY CORRECTED BY THE DEP CTLR.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED LAS ON THE IDALE 2 DEP, AND USING THE LNAV MODE, ENDED UP GOING DIRECTLY TOWARD OAL AFTER IDALE INSTEAD OF THE DEP RTE TO SHEAD INTXN, BIKKN INTXN, THEN OAL VOR. AS WE MADE THE TURN TOWARD OAL, ATC QUERIED US AND GAVE US A HDG OF 240 DEGS. HE ASKED WHERE WE WERE HEADED. WE THEN LOOKED AT THE DEP IN THE BOX AND SAW THAT IT WASN'T IN THERE ANYMORE. WE HAD IT IN THE 'RE' WHEN WE CHKED IT AT THE GATE AND THINK THAT IT MUST HAVE DROPPED OUT WHEN WE DID THE RWY UPDATE, WE DID NOT CHK IT AGAIN AFTER THE UPDATE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE DEP SID WASN'T FLOWN, AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FLOWN, AND SINCE I AM PRETTY NEW WITH THE B757 COMING, OFF THE B727. I HAVE ALWAYS FOLLOWED SID MYSELF AND NOT TRUSTED THE BOX TO FLY IT BY ITSELF. I WAS ALWAYS TOLD TO 'RELAX, IT WILL DO FINE.' I STARTED TO COUNT ON THE AUTOPLT TO FLY IT AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO AND GOT A LITTLE LAX. LESSON LEARNED! ALWAYS BACK IT UP AND DON'T RELAX. GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT. IF THE RTE ISN'T IN THERE OR IT DROPS OUT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING YOU'LL FLY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 572915: IN THE TURN FROM IDALE DIRECT TO OAL, THE DEP CTLR CORRECTED OUR HDG (ABOUT 30 DEGS) TO RE-ESTABLISH US ON THE IDALE 2 DEP. I SPOKE WITH THE DEP SUPVR WHEN WE ARRIVED IN SFO AND TOLD HIM THE SERIES OF EVENTS FROM OUR VIEWPOINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.