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Attributes | |
ACN | 572921 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl single value : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ict.tracon tower : ord.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Citation II S2/Bravo |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 13 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ict.tracon |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2200 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 572921 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7300 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 572181 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
We contacted approach, and after radar contact, we were given vectors for the ILS runway 13 into hut. We were given a 270 degree vector and maintained 3500 ft MSL. Approach was also in communication with a beech jet that had been given instructions to hold over saltt intersection. Saltt is the FAF for the ILS runway 13. Since we understood that the beech jet would be doing multiple turns in the hold at 4000 ft, we requested to proceed under our own navigation for the straight-in ILS runway 13 at 3500 ft. Due to the vector, we were positioned west of the facility. We were cleared to proceed, own navigation, for the ILS runway 13 with no separation services provided. We made a left turn and proceeded towards the FAF with the intent to proceed straight in. As we proceeded towards the FAF, we made visual contact with the beechjet, who was on a converging path with ours. The beechjet was at a higher altitude than ours, and we appeared to be approaching the FAF at a greater rate of speed than the other aircraft. At no time did we lose sight of the other aircraft, nor did we feel it was necessary to make any deviation from our course/altitude to avoid a traffic conflict. The other aircraft reported receiving a TA during this incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CE550 FLC RPTS THAT WHILE FLYING AN APCH OWN NAV, THAT AN ACFT THEY HAD VISUAL CONTACT WITH EXPERIENCED A TCASII.
Narrative: WE CONTACTED APCH, AND AFTER RADAR CONTACT, WE WERE GIVEN VECTORS FOR THE ILS RWY 13 INTO HUT. WE WERE GIVEN A 270 DEG VECTOR AND MAINTAINED 3500 FT MSL. APCH WAS ALSO IN COM WITH A BEECH JET THAT HAD BEEN GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD OVER SALTT INTXN. SALTT IS THE FAF FOR THE ILS RWY 13. SINCE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE BEECH JET WOULD BE DOING MULTIPLE TURNS IN THE HOLD AT 4000 FT, WE REQUESTED TO PROCEED UNDER OUR OWN NAV FOR THE STRAIGHT-IN ILS RWY 13 AT 3500 FT. DUE TO THE VECTOR, WE WERE POSITIONED W OF THE FACILITY. WE WERE CLRED TO PROCEED, OWN NAV, FOR THE ILS RWY 13 WITH NO SEPARATION SVCS PROVIDED. WE MADE A L TURN AND PROCEEDED TOWARDS THE FAF WITH THE INTENT TO PROCEED STRAIGHT IN. AS WE PROCEEDED TOWARDS THE FAF, WE MADE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE BEECHJET, WHO WAS ON A CONVERGING PATH WITH OURS. THE BEECHJET WAS AT A HIGHER ALT THAN OURS, AND WE APPEARED TO BE APCHING THE FAF AT A GREATER RATE OF SPD THAN THE OTHER ACFT. AT NO TIME DID WE LOSE SIGHT OF THE OTHER ACFT, NOR DID WE FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY TO MAKE ANY DEV FROM OUR COURSE/ALT TO AVOID A TFC CONFLICT. THE OTHER ACFT RPTED RECEIVING A TA DURING THIS INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.