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Attributes | |
ACN | 574006 |
Time | |
Date | 200302 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Snow Ice |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ric.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 574006 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
During approach to runway 4R ord -- WX was snowy and icing conditions existed in the pattern. We were a bit high and somewhat fast due to using anti-icing procedures and tower control turned us into runway 4R a bit close. Contacting ord tower at rekks, we were cleared to land and received a clearance to turn off at taxiway S4. I was still completing checklist items with the first officer, who was flying the aircraft. When I realized the actual clearance meant a turn off at just under 6000 ft from the threshold of runway 4R -- I told ord tower we would be unable, but would try. Winds were 50 degrees at 19 KTS gusting to 22 KTS in blowing snow and coming down fairly moderately. On rollout we were still at 100 KTS IAS passing taxiway S4. Ord tower got mad at us for not making the turn with traffic close behind. I told him we had said 'unable -- etc.' this amounts to a lahso operation on a runway with snow and possibly wet/contaminated -- in less than ideal conditions -- some 2000 ft less than most lahso approved procedures on a runway never given that approval. This should not be expected nor ridiculed when the procedure is not accepted, but should not be even offered.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LNDG MD80 AT ORD FAILS TO EXIT RWY AS REQUESTED BY ATC.
Narrative: DURING APCH TO RWY 4R ORD -- WX WAS SNOWY AND ICING CONDITIONS EXISTED IN THE PATTERN. WE WERE A BIT HIGH AND SOMEWHAT FAST DUE TO USING ANTI-ICING PROCS AND TWR CTL TURNED US INTO RWY 4R A BIT CLOSE. CONTACTING ORD TWR AT REKKS, WE WERE CLRED TO LAND AND RECEIVED A CLRNC TO TURN OFF AT TXWY S4. I WAS STILL COMPLETING CHKLIST ITEMS WITH THE FO, WHO WAS FLYING THE ACFT. WHEN I REALIZED THE ACTUAL CLRNC MEANT A TURN OFF AT JUST UNDER 6000 FT FROM THE THRESHOLD OF RWY 4R -- I TOLD ORD TWR WE WOULD BE UNABLE, BUT WOULD TRY. WINDS WERE 50 DEGS AT 19 KTS GUSTING TO 22 KTS IN BLOWING SNOW AND COMING DOWN FAIRLY MODERATELY. ON ROLLOUT WE WERE STILL AT 100 KTS IAS PASSING TXWY S4. ORD TWR GOT MAD AT US FOR NOT MAKING THE TURN WITH TFC CLOSE BEHIND. I TOLD HIM WE HAD SAID 'UNABLE -- ETC.' THIS AMOUNTS TO A LAHSO OP ON A RWY WITH SNOW AND POSSIBLY WET/CONTAMINATED -- IN LESS THAN IDEAL CONDITIONS -- SOME 2000 FT LESS THAN MOST LAHSO APPROVED PROCS ON A RWY NEVER GIVEN THAT APPROVAL. THIS SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED NOR RIDICULED WHEN THE PROC IS NOT ACCEPTED, BUT SHOULD NOT BE EVEN OFFERED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.