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An erj flight crew delayed their outbound turn in a hold for WX without telling ATC.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 576908 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200303 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : halie |
| State Reference | IN |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | Turbulence |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Embraer Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Route In Use | arrival : on vectors arrival : holding pattern |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 576908 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : exit inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Weather ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
It was clear on the ground at cle that we could have a landing weight problem at ord due to fuel. Well prior to the knox VOR, we informed center that we would need either a lower altitude and/or vectors/holding to increase fuel burn. While the controller did give us lower, he told us that we would not need holding as he was going to turn us all over the place. While on vectors, we were all of a sudden given direct ord. We told the controller we could not do that as we still had a landing weight problem. The controller then said he could do nothing about our problem. A few mins later, the controller reconsidered and told us to go to bearz and hold as published. Next, when only 3 mi out from halie, he told us to hold there. While all this was going on, we were also dealing with turbulence and numerous build-ups. Despite the short notice, we were able to enter holding at halie with a parallel entry. Just after completing the outbound entry track and turning back towards halie, the controller made some snippy remark like the next time we went around the holding fix he hoped we would be holding as published. We only had to do time around the pattern and then had the fuel burn to go to ord. Although, in the hold we had to delay our outbound turn slightly as there was a build-up just south of halie that I was not about to put the airplane through.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ERJ FLT CREW DELAYED THEIR OUTBOUND TURN IN A HOLD FOR WX WITHOUT TELLING ATC.
Narrative: IT WAS CLR ON THE GND AT CLE THAT WE COULD HAVE A LNDG WT PROB AT ORD DUE TO FUEL. WELL PRIOR TO THE KNOX VOR, WE INFORMED CTR THAT WE WOULD NEED EITHER A LOWER ALT AND/OR VECTORS/HOLDING TO INCREASE FUEL BURN. WHILE THE CTLR DID GIVE US LOWER, HE TOLD US THAT WE WOULD NOT NEED HOLDING AS HE WAS GOING TO TURN US ALL OVER THE PLACE. WHILE ON VECTORS, WE WERE ALL OF A SUDDEN GIVEN DIRECT ORD. WE TOLD THE CTLR WE COULD NOT DO THAT AS WE STILL HAD A LNDG WT PROB. THE CTLR THEN SAID HE COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT OUR PROB. A FEW MINS LATER, THE CTLR RECONSIDERED AND TOLD US TO GO TO BEARZ AND HOLD AS PUBLISHED. NEXT, WHEN ONLY 3 MI OUT FROM HALIE, HE TOLD US TO HOLD THERE. WHILE ALL THIS WAS GOING ON, WE WERE ALSO DEALING WITH TURB AND NUMEROUS BUILD-UPS. DESPITE THE SHORT NOTICE, WE WERE ABLE TO ENTER HOLDING AT HALIE WITH A PARALLEL ENTRY. JUST AFTER COMPLETING THE OUTBOUND ENTRY TRACK AND TURNING BACK TOWARDS HALIE, THE CTLR MADE SOME SNIPPY REMARK LIKE THE NEXT TIME WE WENT AROUND THE HOLDING FIX HE HOPED WE WOULD BE HOLDING AS PUBLISHED. WE ONLY HAD TO DO TIME AROUND THE PATTERN AND THEN HAD THE FUEL BURN TO GO TO ORD. ALTHOUGH, IN THE HOLD WE HAD TO DELAY OUR OUTBOUND TURN SLIGHTLY AS THERE WAS A BUILD-UP JUST S OF HALIE THAT I WAS NOT ABOUT TO PUT THE AIRPLANE THROUGH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.