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B727 crew may have flown outside the confines of a holding pattern, in ZME class east airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 577265 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200303 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : bwg.vortac |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival : holding pattern |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 130 |
| ASRS Report | 577265 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : exit non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Company |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Our aircraft was flying almost directly north towards pxv (pocket city) VOR to join the wlder 4 arrival to mem. The controller issued the following holding instructions: 'hold (east) of the bwg 240 degree radial 60 DME fix.' we were told to 'fly our present heading (350 degree) and track inbound on the 240 degree bwg to get established in the holding pattern.' I planned on a parallel entry to get established in holding. I briefed the captain on my plan and he said 'just take a 30 degree intercept.' I took this to mean just do a teardrop entry and fly 030 degrees to 40 DME and make a right turn inbound. I flew 030 degree heading upon crossing the holding fix. Upon reaching 40 DME, I started a right turn inbound. The captain screamed 'I said turn left and do it now.' I questioned the captain asking if the controller had stated left turns. The captain again demanded I start a left turn. I did start a left turn and questioned the captain. The captain tried to explain to me that right turns could not be accomplished with this holding clearance. The so then spoke up and took my side and tried to explain to the captain about right turns. To protect the holding side, I continued the left past 180 degrees and reintercepted 240 degrees outbound to the 60 DME fix. The captain yelled again 'what are you doing? You should be paralleling course.' once again, the so and myself tried to explain. The captain then demanded that left turns be done the rest of the holding about 2.5 turns. This was the worst case of improper CRM I have experienced in my career. I also felt there would never be any convincing the captain he was incorrect. I feel we should have used our 3-5 mins prior to holding to come to a conclusion of how we were going to enter and hold.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 CREW MAY HAVE FLOWN OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF A HOLDING PATTERN, IN ZME CLASS E AIRSPACE.
Narrative: OUR ACFT WAS FLYING ALMOST DIRECTLY N TOWARDS PXV (POCKET CITY) VOR TO JOIN THE WLDER 4 ARR TO MEM. THE CTLR ISSUED THE FOLLOWING HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS: 'HOLD (E) OF THE BWG 240 DEG RADIAL 60 DME FIX.' WE WERE TOLD TO 'FLY OUR PRESENT HDG (350 DEG) AND TRACK INBOUND ON THE 240 DEG BWG TO GET ESTABLISHED IN THE HOLDING PATTERN.' I PLANNED ON A PARALLEL ENTRY TO GET ESTABLISHED IN HOLDING. I BRIEFED THE CAPT ON MY PLAN AND HE SAID 'JUST TAKE A 30 DEG INTERCEPT.' I TOOK THIS TO MEAN JUST DO A TEARDROP ENTRY AND FLY 030 DEGS TO 40 DME AND MAKE A R TURN INBOUND. I FLEW 030 DEG HDG UPON XING THE HOLDING FIX. UPON REACHING 40 DME, I STARTED A R TURN INBOUND. THE CAPT SCREAMED 'I SAID TURN L AND DO IT NOW.' I QUESTIONED THE CAPT ASKING IF THE CTLR HAD STATED L TURNS. THE CAPT AGAIN DEMANDED I START A L TURN. I DID START A L TURN AND QUESTIONED THE CAPT. THE CAPT TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO ME THAT R TURNS COULD NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS HOLDING CLRNC. THE SO THEN SPOKE UP AND TOOK MY SIDE AND TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THE CAPT ABOUT R TURNS. TO PROTECT THE HOLDING SIDE, I CONTINUED THE L PAST 180 DEGS AND REINTERCEPTED 240 DEGS OUTBOUND TO THE 60 DME FIX. THE CAPT YELLED AGAIN 'WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU SHOULD BE PARALLELING COURSE.' ONCE AGAIN, THE SO AND MYSELF TRIED TO EXPLAIN. THE CAPT THEN DEMANDED THAT L TURNS BE DONE THE REST OF THE HOLDING ABOUT 2.5 TURNS. THIS WAS THE WORST CASE OF IMPROPER CRM I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN MY CAREER. I ALSO FELT THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANY CONVINCING THE CAPT HE WAS INCORRECT. I FEEL WE SHOULD HAVE USED OUR 3-5 MINS PRIOR TO HOLDING TO COME TO A CONCLUSION OF HOW WE WERE GOING TO ENTER AND HOLD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.