Narrative:

The first officer flew an ILS approach to runway 7R and transitioned to a visual approach at 1500 ft AGL. He made a good landing in the touchdown zone and started to slow the aircraft on the runway using reverse thrust and automatic brakes. Then, at approximately 110 KTS, and while still in the landing phase of flight using reverse thrust, the lax tower controller said 'aircraft X, turn off at taxiway G and say gate.' at this point, we were passing taxiway H (about 6000 ft down the runway) and taxiway G was less than 1000 ft ahead of us, and we were still slowing the aircraft down. The captain replied to the controller 'roger, exit at taxiway G and gate xx.' the captain then said '80 KTS,' then '60 KTS, my aircraft,' and took control of the aircraft from the PF, the first officer. The captain had to aggressively use wheel brakes to slow the aircraft enough to safely make the 90 degree left turn at taxiway G. The captain stopped the aircraft on taxiway G using very firm braking, and held short of runway 7L. The lax controller did not say 'hold short of runway 7L' until we were already stopped short of runway 7L. At no time did any part of the aircraft cross any part of the hold short line or cross onto any part of runway 7L. After the controller said 'hold short of runway 7L' he immediately said 'aircraft Y, takeoff clearance cancelled.' we were unable to reply to his first instruction to hold short due to radio congestion on the frequency by the lax tower controller. The aircraft was already stopped and holding short of runway 7L when the controller said again 'aircraft X, hold short of runway 7L.' after this radio call, he gave us the time to reply 'aircraft X is holding short runway 7L.' the controller then told us to cross runway 7L and contact ground. We crossed the runway and contacted ground. After we cleared runway 7L, the ground controller told the captain to call the lax tower for a possible runway incident. The controller did not tell us hold short of runway 7L when he told us to turn off at taxiway G, but we knew to hold short anyway, because you always hold short of the runways at lax. Again, we held short on our own, because of our familiarity with lax airport, but the controller did not tell us until we were already stopped. This ATC communication error is a serious safety concern here at lax. Again, at no time did any part of the aircraft cross the hold short line for runway 7L.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B737-300 FLT CREW IS CONCERNED WITH A TWR CTLR THAT ISSUES A HOLD SHORT CLRNC WITH ANOTHER ACR IN TKOF POS AT LAX. LCL CTLR PERCEIVED POSSIBLE RWY INCURSION THAT DID NOT OCCUR.

Narrative: THE FO FLEW AN ILS APCH TO RWY 7R AND TRANSITIONED TO A VISUAL APCH AT 1500 FT AGL. HE MADE A GOOD LNDG IN THE TOUCHDOWN ZONE AND STARTED TO SLOW THE ACFT ON THE RWY USING REVERSE THRUST AND AUTO BRAKES. THEN, AT APPROX 110 KTS, AND WHILE STILL IN THE LNDG PHASE OF FLT USING REVERSE THRUST, THE LAX TWR CTLR SAID 'ACFT X, TURN OFF AT TXWY G AND SAY GATE.' AT THIS POINT, WE WERE PASSING TXWY H (ABOUT 6000 FT DOWN THE RWY) AND TXWY G WAS LESS THAN 1000 FT AHEAD OF US, AND WE WERE STILL SLOWING THE ACFT DOWN. THE CAPT REPLIED TO THE CTLR 'ROGER, EXIT AT TXWY G AND GATE XX.' THE CAPT THEN SAID '80 KTS,' THEN '60 KTS, MY ACFT,' AND TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT FROM THE PF, THE FO. THE CAPT HAD TO AGGRESSIVELY USE WHEEL BRAKES TO SLOW THE ACFT ENOUGH TO SAFELY MAKE THE 90 DEG L TURN AT TXWY G. THE CAPT STOPPED THE ACFT ON TXWY G USING VERY FIRM BRAKING, AND HELD SHORT OF RWY 7L. THE LAX CTLR DID NOT SAY 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 7L' UNTIL WE WERE ALREADY STOPPED SHORT OF RWY 7L. AT NO TIME DID ANY PART OF THE ACFT CROSS ANY PART OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE OR CROSS ONTO ANY PART OF RWY 7L. AFTER THE CTLR SAID 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 7L' HE IMMEDIATELY SAID 'ACFT Y, TKOF CLRNC CANCELLED.' WE WERE UNABLE TO REPLY TO HIS FIRST INSTRUCTION TO HOLD SHORT DUE TO RADIO CONGESTION ON THE FREQ BY THE LAX TWR CTLR. THE ACFT WAS ALREADY STOPPED AND HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 7L WHEN THE CTLR SAID AGAIN 'ACFT X, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 7L.' AFTER THIS RADIO CALL, HE GAVE US THE TIME TO REPLY 'ACFT X IS HOLDING SHORT RWY 7L.' THE CTLR THEN TOLD US TO CROSS RWY 7L AND CONTACT GND. WE CROSSED THE RWY AND CONTACTED GND. AFTER WE CLRED RWY 7L, THE GND CTLR TOLD THE CAPT TO CALL THE LAX TWR FOR A POSSIBLE RWY INCIDENT. THE CTLR DID NOT TELL US HOLD SHORT OF RWY 7L WHEN HE TOLD US TO TURN OFF AT TXWY G, BUT WE KNEW TO HOLD SHORT ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HOLD SHORT OF THE RWYS AT LAX. AGAIN, WE HELD SHORT ON OUR OWN, BECAUSE OF OUR FAMILIARITY WITH LAX ARPT, BUT THE CTLR DID NOT TELL US UNTIL WE WERE ALREADY STOPPED. THIS ATC COM ERROR IS A SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERN HERE AT LAX. AGAIN, AT NO TIME DID ANY PART OF THE ACFT CROSS THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 7L.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.