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Attributes | |
ACN | 578312 |
Time | |
Date | 200303 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : jan.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other ndb |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 13.6 flight time total : 52.7 flight time type : 52.2 |
ASRS Report | 578312 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flying on a solo cross country flight, as part of my training for my pilots license. The trip was planned and filed as two separate flts, due to the ADIZ restrictions around the nyc area. The first was from teb to msv; the second was from msv to teb. As I was returning to teb from msv, I contacted ny approach at approximately XA20L, just as I was passing over hyo VOR. I reported my position, altitude, and destination as well as saying 'as filed' at the end of my radio call. He acknowledged me after I called a second time by saying 'aircraft X remain clear of the restr airspace and maintain radio silence.' because he did acknowledge me, I understood I was cleared to proceed, but that I needed to keep clear of the overlying class B over teb and class D around teb and other airports nearby. I also thought that because he said to maintain radio silence, he would call me at the appropriate time to hand me off to teb tower. As I approached teb, I held over pnj NDB, which is 7 miles from teb airport and called ny approach again. I told the controller I was holding over pnj NDB and would like to be handed off to teb tower. The controller then became very sarcastic telling me I had never been cleared into the ADIZ. He then gave me a phone number to call and handed me off to teb tower. I landed and parked as usual. I believe the problem occurred due to miscom as well as lack of it. Although I accept blame for violating the airspace, I have to point out that the controller never tried to contact me as I was violating the ADIZ and in fact never said anything as I was nearly 20 NM inside from the beginning of the ADIZ. That's why when I contacted him, he was very sarcastic and nasty and would've probably been very happy if I had also violated the class D surrounding teb.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LOW TIME GA PLT INCORRECTLY ASSUMES THAT N90 INSTRUCTION TO REMAIN CLR OF ADIZ WAS APPROVED TO CONTINUE ON COURSE TO DEST.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING ON A SOLO CROSS COUNTRY FLT, AS PART OF MY TRAINING FOR MY PLTS LICENSE. THE TRIP WAS PLANNED AND FILED AS TWO SEPARATE FLTS, DUE TO THE ADIZ RESTRICTIONS AROUND THE NYC AREA. THE FIRST WAS FROM TEB TO MSV; THE SECOND WAS FROM MSV TO TEB. AS I WAS RETURNING TO TEB FROM MSV, I CONTACTED NY APCH AT APPROX XA20L, JUST AS I WAS PASSING OVER HYO VOR. I REPORTED MY POSITION, ALT, AND DEST AS WELL AS SAYING 'AS FILED' AT THE END OF MY RADIO CALL. HE ACKNOWLEDGED ME AFTER I CALLED A SECOND TIME BY SAYING 'ACFT X REMAIN CLR OF THE RESTR AIRSPACE AND MAINTAIN RADIO SILENCE.' BECAUSE HE DID ACKNOWLEDGE ME, I UNDERSTOOD I WAS CLRED TO PROCEED, BUT THAT I NEEDED TO KEEP CLR OF THE OVERLYING CLASS B OVER TEB AND CLASS D AROUND TEB AND OTHER ARPTS NEARBY. I ALSO THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE HE SAID TO MAINTAIN RADIO SILENCE, HE WOULD CALL ME AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO HAND ME OFF TO TEB TWR. AS I APCHED TEB, I HELD OVER PNJ NDB, WHICH IS 7 MILES FROM TEB ARPT AND CALLED NY APCH AGAIN. I TOLD THE CTLR I WAS HOLDING OVER PNJ NDB AND WOULD LIKE TO BE HANDED OFF TO TEB TWR. THE CTLR THEN BECAME VERY SARCASTIC TELLING ME I HAD NEVER BEEN CLRED INTO THE ADIZ. HE THEN GAVE ME A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL AND HANDED ME OFF TO TEB TWR. I LANDED AND PARKED AS USUAL. I BELIEVE THE PROB OCCURRED DUE TO MISCOM AS WELL AS LACK OF IT. ALTHOUGH I ACCEPT BLAME FOR VIOLATING THE AIRSPACE, I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT THE CTLR NEVER TRIED TO CONTACT ME AS I WAS VIOLATING THE ADIZ AND IN FACT NEVER SAID ANYTHING AS I WAS NEARLY 20 NM INSIDE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE ADIZ. THAT'S WHY WHEN I CONTACTED HIM, HE WAS VERY SARCASTIC AND NASTY AND WOULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN VERY HAPPY IF I HAD ALSO VIOLATED THE CLASS D SURROUNDING TEB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.