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Attributes | |
ACN | 579367 |
Time | |
Date | 200304 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation V |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 579367 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
ZMA low sector controller issued instructions and hold over the vrb VOR as published, as we were nearing the vrb VOR. I could not find a published hold on the low altitude chart nor on the approach plates for vrb, which was our filed route. At vrb, I asked ZMA if he knew where this holding pattern was published. He said it was on the high charts and on the stars to other airports, which we were not using. There was no etc issued. Fortunately, this was in VMC. It was very poor control.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C500 PLT EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION WITH ATC HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS IN ZMA AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ZMA LOW SECTOR CTLR ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS AND HOLD OVER THE VRB VOR AS PUBLISHED, AS WE WERE NEARING THE VRB VOR. I COULD NOT FIND A PUBLISHED HOLD ON THE LOW ALT CHART NOR ON THE APCH PLATES FOR VRB, WHICH WAS OUR FILED ROUTE. AT VRB, I ASKED ZMA IF HE KNEW WHERE THIS HOLDING PATTERN WAS PUBLISHED. HE SAID IT WAS ON THE HIGH CHARTS AND ON THE STARS TO OTHER ARPTS, WHICH WE WERE NOT USING. THERE WAS NO ETC ISSUED. FORTUNATELY, THIS WAS IN VMC. IT WAS VERY POOR CTL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.