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Attributes | |
ACN | 579963 |
Time | |
Date | 200304 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mco.tracon tracon : dab.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL600 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 579963 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After departure from melbourne, daytona approach cleared us to 10000 ft. Shortly after, then cleared to 15000 ft and contacted orlando approach. At the time, I was talking on #2 radio to company when this clearance was issued, as my first officer answered it. When I returned from talking to the company, my first officer advised that we were cleared to 15000 ft and got a frequency change. A few mins alter, orlando approach called us, asking if we were on frequency. My first officer advised me that he had forgotten to check in. I answered orlando telling him 'aircraft X checking in, climbing out of 12000 ft for 15000 ft.' (at the time we were cleared direct to the orlando VOR.) his response was 'turn right heading 330 degrees and join J53 north of orlando.' later, we were cleared to 230 degrees and told to contact ZJX. We were cleared to our final cruise altitude and proceeded to atlanta. Upon arrival in atl, we were told to call orlando approach. The controller said that we had climbed to 15000 ft when we had only been cleared to 14000 ft. He said that there was no conflict with any other aircraft but above 14000 ft was controled by ZMA and they had called to inquire as to why there was an aircraft in their airspace. I told the controller that it was my understanding that we were climbing to 15000 ft and did not recall being cleared to 14000 ft. He said that he had checked the tapes and that daytona had issued our clearance to 14000 ft and that 14000 ft had been read back. When we checked in with orlando, I told him that we were cleared to 15000 ft. He came back and cleared us to join the airway north of orlando. Nothing was said about maintaining 14000 ft. We were level at 15000 ft for no more than 1 min when we were cleared to FL230. After talking with the orlando approach controller on the phone, he said that he heard me check in climbing to 14000 ft and told me to maintain 14000 ft. My first officer and I never heard this. What we did hear was the heading to join the airway and, at the time the frequency was very quiet, eliminating the possibility of being stepped on. What confuses me is if there was a conflict of our altitude when I checked in, why wasn't I corrected immediately? Why were we allowed to level at 15000 ft without orlando questioning our altitude? Why wasn't anything said the entire flight when I assumed that everything was normal? My personal feeling is that the controller did not listen carefully to my readback and did not catch the altitude discrepancy until ZMA notified him of an airplane in their airspace. I have been flying commercially for 17 yrs and am very aware of altitude and call sign readback. This is the first time that I have ever experienced a situation like this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL-600 DEPARTING MLB CLBS TO INCORRECT ALT.
Narrative: AFTER DEP FROM MELBOURNE, DAYTONA APCH CLRED US TO 10000 FT. SHORTLY AFTER, THEN CLRED TO 15000 FT AND CONTACTED ORLANDO APCH. AT THE TIME, I WAS TALKING ON #2 RADIO TO COMPANY WHEN THIS CLRNC WAS ISSUED, AS MY FO ANSWERED IT. WHEN I RETURNED FROM TALKING TO THE COMPANY, MY FO ADVISED THAT WE WERE CLRED TO 15000 FT AND GOT A FREQ CHANGE. A FEW MINS ALTER, ORLANDO APCH CALLED US, ASKING IF WE WERE ON FREQ. MY FO ADVISED ME THAT HE HAD FORGOTTEN TO CHK IN. I ANSWERED ORLANDO TELLING HIM 'ACFT X CHKING IN, CLBING OUT OF 12000 FT FOR 15000 FT.' (AT THE TIME WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO THE ORLANDO VOR.) HIS RESPONSE WAS 'TURN R HDG 330 DEGS AND JOIN J53 N OF ORLANDO.' LATER, WE WERE CLRED TO 230 DEGS AND TOLD TO CONTACT ZJX. WE WERE CLRED TO OUR FINAL CRUISE ALT AND PROCEEDED TO ATLANTA. UPON ARR IN ATL, WE WERE TOLD TO CALL ORLANDO APCH. THE CTLR SAID THAT WE HAD CLBED TO 15000 FT WHEN WE HAD ONLY BEEN CLRED TO 14000 FT. HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT WITH ANY OTHER ACFT BUT ABOVE 14000 FT WAS CTLED BY ZMA AND THEY HAD CALLED TO INQUIRE AS TO WHY THERE WAS AN ACFT IN THEIR AIRSPACE. I TOLD THE CTLR THAT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE CLBING TO 15000 FT AND DID NOT RECALL BEING CLRED TO 14000 FT. HE SAID THAT HE HAD CHKED THE TAPES AND THAT DAYTONA HAD ISSUED OUR CLRNC TO 14000 FT AND THAT 14000 FT HAD BEEN READ BACK. WHEN WE CHKED IN WITH ORLANDO, I TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE CLRED TO 15000 FT. HE CAME BACK AND CLRED US TO JOIN THE AIRWAY N OF ORLANDO. NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT MAINTAINING 14000 FT. WE WERE LEVEL AT 15000 FT FOR NO MORE THAN 1 MIN WHEN WE WERE CLRED TO FL230. AFTER TALKING WITH THE ORLANDO APCH CTLR ON THE PHONE, HE SAID THAT HE HEARD ME CHK IN CLBING TO 14000 FT AND TOLD ME TO MAINTAIN 14000 FT. MY FO AND I NEVER HEARD THIS. WHAT WE DID HEAR WAS THE HDG TO JOIN THE AIRWAY AND, AT THE TIME THE FREQ WAS VERY QUIET, ELIMINATING THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING STEPPED ON. WHAT CONFUSES ME IS IF THERE WAS A CONFLICT OF OUR ALT WHEN I CHKED IN, WHY WASN'T I CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY? WHY WERE WE ALLOWED TO LEVEL AT 15000 FT WITHOUT ORLANDO QUESTIONING OUR ALT? WHY WASN'T ANYTHING SAID THE ENTIRE FLT WHEN I ASSUMED THAT EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL? MY PERSONAL FEELING IS THAT THE CTLR DID NOT LISTEN CAREFULLY TO MY READBACK AND DID NOT CATCH THE ALT DISCREPANCY UNTIL ZMA NOTIFIED HIM OF AN AIRPLANE IN THEIR AIRSPACE. I HAVE BEEN FLYING COMMERCIALLY FOR 17 YRS AND AM VERY AWARE OF ALT AND CALL SIGN READBACK. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED A SIT LIKE THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.