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DC9 departing rap runway 14 on runway heading chastised by ZDV controller for flying a '...dangerous...' flight path. Fltcrew contends tower failed to give them appropriate flight path guidance with takeoff clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 580261 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200304 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : rap.airport |
| State Reference | SD |
| Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 580261 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared for takeoff from rap tower. Handed off to ZDV. I asked center to verify we were cleared on course J-85. He asked what was our clearance. I told him we were still on the runway heading and wanted to verify cleared on course. The controller said, 'what you did was a dangerous thing' and said cleared on course. J-85 comes off rap VOR. We had not yet reached the VOR. In my opinion we were not 'off course' since we had not reached the NAVAID. Since the tower was open, I expected either 'fly runway heading' cleared for takeoff or 'turn on course' cleared for takeoff. Had the tower been closed I would have turned on course.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9 DEPARTING RAP RWY 14 ON RWY HEADING CHASTISED BY ZDV CTLR FOR FLYING A '...DANGEROUS...' FLT PATH. FLTCREW CONTENDS TWR FAILED TO GIVE THEM APPROPRIATE FLT PATH GUIDANCE WITH TKOF CLRNC.
Narrative: CLRED FOR TKOF FROM RAP TWR. HANDED OFF TO ZDV. I ASKED CTR TO VERIFY WE WERE CLRED ON COURSE J-85. HE ASKED WHAT WAS OUR CLRNC. I TOLD HIM WE WERE STILL ON THE RWY HEADING AND WANTED TO VERIFY CLRED ON COURSE. THE CTLR SAID, 'WHAT YOU DID WAS A DANGEROUS THING' AND SAID CLRED ON COURSE. J-85 COMES OFF RAP VOR. WE HAD NOT YET REACHED THE VOR. IN MY OPINION WE WERE NOT 'OFF COURSE' SINCE WE HAD NOT REACHED THE NAVAID. SINCE THE TWR WAS OPEN, I EXPECTED EITHER 'FLY RWY HEADING' CLRED FOR TKOF OR 'TURN ON COURSE' CLRED FOR TKOF. HAD THE TWR BEEN CLOSED I WOULD HAVE TURNED ON COURSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.