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Attributes | |
ACN | 582463 |
Time | |
Date | 200305 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : abb.vortac |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl single value : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 780 |
ASRS Report | 582463 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were approaching nabb VOR (abb) at FL190. The captain and I commented that we usually set a descent to cross sargo intersection on the mosey 5 arrival into cvg at 11000 ft. Usually the clearance to cross sargo is issued much earlier than this. When the captain asked the controller (ZID 132.52) if we could expect a descent soon, the controller said that we should be on 124.77. The captain replied that we weren't handed off (and we weren't). The controller replied with an attitude saying that we were obviously handed off since we were at FL190. The captain informed the controller that FL190- was our filed cruising altitude. The captain then tried to confirm the proper frequency for us and the controller never replied to any radio calls from us. Simultaneous to this, we were advised by atlanta radio (company) of the correct frequency. We continued without further incident. Apparently, the controller at ZID thought that we were handed off to the next controller based solely on our altitude. This was a false assumption and seemed to create this problem. The problem was not helped by the negative attitude of the controller and his failure to respond to further radio calls.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL65 CREW AT FL190 ASKING FOR LOWER ALT WAS TOLD HE WAS ON THE WRONG FREQ.
Narrative: WE WERE APCHING NABB VOR (ABB) AT FL190. THE CAPT AND I COMMENTED THAT WE USUALLY SET A DSCNT TO CROSS SARGO INTXN ON THE MOSEY 5 ARR INTO CVG AT 11000 FT. USUALLY THE CLRNC TO CROSS SARGO IS ISSUED MUCH EARLIER THAN THIS. WHEN THE CAPT ASKED THE CTLR (ZID 132.52) IF WE COULD EXPECT A DSCNT SOON, THE CTLR SAID THAT WE SHOULD BE ON 124.77. THE CAPT REPLIED THAT WE WEREN'T HANDED OFF (AND WE WEREN'T). THE CTLR REPLIED WITH AN ATTITUDE SAYING THAT WE WERE OBVIOUSLY HANDED OFF SINCE WE WERE AT FL190. THE CAPT INFORMED THE CTLR THAT FL190- WAS OUR FILED CRUISING ALT. THE CAPT THEN TRIED TO CONFIRM THE PROPER FREQ FOR US AND THE CTLR NEVER REPLIED TO ANY RADIO CALLS FROM US. SIMULTANEOUS TO THIS, WE WERE ADVISED BY ATLANTA RADIO (COMPANY) OF THE CORRECT FREQ. WE CONTINUED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. APPARENTLY, THE CTLR AT ZID THOUGHT THAT WE WERE HANDED OFF TO THE NEXT CTLR BASED SOLELY ON OUR ALT. THIS WAS A FALSE ASSUMPTION AND SEEMED TO CREATE THIS PROB. THE PROB WAS NOT HELPED BY THE NEGATIVE ATTITUDE OF THE CTLR AND HIS FAILURE TO RESPOND TO FURTHER RADIO CALLS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.