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Attributes | |
ACN | 589573 |
Time | |
Date | 200307 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hef.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon tower : hef.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon tower : hef.tower |
Make Model Name | Cessna Aircraft Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : arsenal 1 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 1005 flight time type : 70 |
ASRS Report | 589573 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 25 vertical : 25 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was on right base on a visual approach to runway 16R at manassas (hef) I was squawking a discrete code in dc ADIZ on an IFR flight plan talking to hef tower. Other cessna was climbing to my 2 O'clock position and I descended fast avoiding a collision. I figure the other plane had just departed runway 16R and was talking to potomac departure. All planes leaving hef now have to use the arsenal 1 departure so I couldn't imagine how the plane was where I was. I called tower and said 'I just missed that plane by 25 ft!' and the controller said 'I have no idea who that was.' after I landed I called tower again and asked incredulously, 'you didn't know who that other plane was, that there was another plane there?' and the controller replied 'nope. But I'm sorry that happened to you.' what I wonder is how, with all this security and all these layers of control and all of us in radar contact squawking discrete transponder codes in the dc ADIZ, 2 planes could come close to colliding and one of them was not even noticed by the tower, and a long way away from arsenal 1 and departure control was not keeping us apart.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 PLT AND A CESSNA HAD AN NMAC IN HEF CLASS D, AND DC ADIZ.
Narrative: I WAS ON R BASE ON A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 16R AT MANASSAS (HEF) I WAS SQUAWKING A DISCRETE CODE IN DC ADIZ ON AN IFR FLT PLAN TALKING TO HEF TWR. OTHER CESSNA WAS CLBING TO MY 2 O'CLOCK POS AND I DSNDED FAST AVOIDING A COLLISION. I FIGURE THE OTHER PLANE HAD JUST DEPARTED RWY 16R AND WAS TALKING TO POTOMAC DEP. ALL PLANES LEAVING HEF NOW HAVE TO USE THE ARSENAL 1 DEP SO I COULDN'T IMAGINE HOW THE PLANE WAS WHERE I WAS. I CALLED TWR AND SAID 'I JUST MISSED THAT PLANE BY 25 FT!' AND THE CTLR SAID 'I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT WAS.' AFTER I LANDED I CALLED TWR AGAIN AND ASKED INCREDULOUSLY, 'YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO THAT OTHER PLANE WAS, THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER PLANE THERE?' AND THE CTLR REPLIED 'NOPE. BUT I'M SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO YOU.' WHAT I WONDER IS HOW, WITH ALL THIS SECURITY AND ALL THESE LAYERS OF CTL AND ALL OF US IN RADAR CONTACT SQUAWKING DISCRETE XPONDER CODES IN THE DC ADIZ, 2 PLANES COULD COME CLOSE TO COLLIDING AND ONE OF THEM WAS NOT EVEN NOTICED BY THE TWR, AND A LONG WAY AWAY FROM ARSENAL 1 AND DEP CTL WAS NOT KEEPING US APART.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.