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Attributes | |
ACN | 590619 |
Time | |
Date | 200308 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hou.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 3700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : i90.tracon tower : lga.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 36 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : i90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 2.5 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 590619 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
This was a VFR flight from college station, tx, to houston hobby airport. I had been training with a cfii for instrument currency flight. We crossed tnv VOR and proceeded directly to hou using an IFR certified garmin GPS with a current database. Prior to reaching the 30 NM ring of the houston class B airspace, we descended to 3700 ft MSL, which put us beneath the floor of the class B outside of the 20 NM ring. Current houston VFR terminal area and houston sectional charts were aboard and in use. We were unable to contact houston approach control until we were 37 NM from hou. The controller assigned us a discrete transponder setting, advised us that we were in class B airspace and that there was an rj turning in front of us. We spotted the rj climbing. The controller directed us to a heading of 180 degrees and to descend to 3000 ft. After rechking our position using GPS, pilotage (I am very familiar with the area) and the hou VOR, we advised the controller that the floor of class B at our location was 4000 ft and that we were below the floor. He again stated very firmly that we were in the class B and that the floor is 3000 ft. We did not raise the issue again. He vectored us toward hobby airport. There was no more conversation about class B and we landed at hou without further incident. Both pilots aboard are absolutely certain of the position which was crosschecked by both the GPS and the VOR/DME. Further, although there is an nrpm to lower the class B floor to 3000 ft in the area this has not yet gone into effect. If this controller is vectoring airline flts through the airspace in question based on a belief that it is class B, this is a serious safety hazard and must be addressed immediately.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE36 PLT IS CONFUSED WHEN CONFRONTED BY ATC FOR ENTERING IAH CLASS B.
Narrative: THIS WAS A VFR FLT FROM COLLEGE STATION, TX, TO HOUSTON HOBBY ARPT. I HAD BEEN TRAINING WITH A CFII FOR INST CURRENCY FLT. WE CROSSED TNV VOR AND PROCEEDED DIRECTLY TO HOU USING AN IFR CERTIFIED GARMIN GPS WITH A CURRENT DATABASE. PRIOR TO REACHING THE 30 NM RING OF THE HOUSTON CLASS B AIRSPACE, WE DSNDED TO 3700 FT MSL, WHICH PUT US BENEATH THE FLOOR OF THE CLASS B OUTSIDE OF THE 20 NM RING. CURRENT HOUSTON VFR TERMINAL AREA AND HOUSTON SECTIONAL CHARTS WERE ABOARD AND IN USE. WE WERE UNABLE TO CONTACT HOUSTON APCH CTL UNTIL WE WERE 37 NM FROM HOU. THE CTLR ASSIGNED US A DISCRETE XPONDER SETTING, ADVISED US THAT WE WERE IN CLASS B AIRSPACE AND THAT THERE WAS AN RJ TURNING IN FRONT OF US. WE SPOTTED THE RJ CLBING. THE CTLR DIRECTED US TO A HEADING OF 180 DEGS AND TO DSND TO 3000 FT. AFTER RECHKING OUR POS USING GPS, PILOTAGE (I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA) AND THE HOU VOR, WE ADVISED THE CTLR THAT THE FLOOR OF CLASS B AT OUR LOCATION WAS 4000 FT AND THAT WE WERE BELOW THE FLOOR. HE AGAIN STATED VERY FIRMLY THAT WE WERE IN THE CLASS B AND THAT THE FLOOR IS 3000 FT. WE DID NOT RAISE THE ISSUE AGAIN. HE VECTORED US TOWARD HOBBY ARPT. THERE WAS NO MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT CLASS B AND WE LANDED AT HOU WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. BOTH PLTS ABOARD ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF THE POS WHICH WAS XCHKED BY BOTH THE GPS AND THE VOR/DME. FURTHER, ALTHOUGH THERE IS AN NRPM TO LOWER THE CLASS B FLOOR TO 3000 FT IN THE AREA THIS HAS NOT YET GONE INTO EFFECT. IF THIS CTLR IS VECTORING AIRLINE FLTS THROUGH THE AIRSPACE IN QUESTION BASED ON A BELIEF THAT IT IS CLASS B, THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY HAZARD AND MUST BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.