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B757-200 crew had an near midair collision with a passing MD80. The B757 was landing on runway 28R and the MD80 was landing on runway 28L at sfo. The MD80 was instructed to maintain visual with the B757.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 591052 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200308 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : samul |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : nct.tracon tower : sfo.tower tower : stl.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : charted visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : nct.tracon tower : sfo.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 591052 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| ASRS Report | 591060 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : nct.tracon |
Narrative:
Established on approach outside samul switched to norcal final controller. Heard controller ask air carrier Y if they had us in sight. Air carrier Y said they did. Controller told air carrier Y we would be ahead of them to the airport and to keep us in sight. Shortly thereafter, controller advised us of air carrier Y behind us, adding they had us in sight. We were then instructed to contact the tower. At this point we did not have air carrier Y in sight. After contacting tower, near samul, we received an RA on TCASII. To our surprise, air carrier Y (MD80) was directly abeam our left wing at our altitude passing us at a rapid rate. We turned slightly right to avoid further conflict. Air carrier Y made no corrective actions and landed well ahead of us. I made a brief announcement to the passenger regarding the close proximity of our planes. Several passenger expressed concern upon deplaning. Based on the rapid overtake and passing by air carrier Y with no warning to us that this would take place (other than the RA) I believe this was an unsafe situation and filed a near miss report with norcal approach. Supplemental information from acn 591060: on final approach, air carrier Y was on approach to runway 28L. Norcal asked if they would maintain visual with us. Air carrier Y replied in the affirmative. At around 1500 ft, air carrier Y passed us on approach (short final). The problem our crew had was that there is no way for them to maintain visual with us if they are ahead of us. This situation occurs frequently at san francisco, and should be addressed. Our manuals specifically state that we are not to pass aircraft in this situation. This situation should be addressed with norcal approach so we all can come up with some kind of game plan that we can all follow.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757-200 CREW HAD AN NMAC WITH A PASSING MD80. THE B757 WAS LNDG ON RWY 28R AND THE MD80 WAS LNDG ON RWY 28L AT SFO. THE MD80 WAS INSTRUCTED TO MAINTAIN VISUAL WITH THE B757.
Narrative: ESTABLISHED ON APCH OUTSIDE SAMUL SWITCHED TO NORCAL FINAL CTLR. HEARD CTLR ASK ACR Y IF THEY HAD US IN SIGHT. ACR Y SAID THEY DID. CTLR TOLD ACR Y WE WOULD BE AHEAD OF THEM TO THE ARPT AND TO KEEP US IN SIGHT. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, CTLR ADVISED US OF ACR Y BEHIND US, ADDING THEY HAD US IN SIGHT. WE WERE THEN INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT THE TWR. AT THIS POINT WE DID NOT HAVE ACR Y IN SIGHT. AFTER CONTACTING TWR, NEAR SAMUL, WE RECEIVED AN RA ON TCASII. TO OUR SURPRISE, ACR Y (MD80) WAS DIRECTLY ABEAM OUR L WING AT OUR ALT PASSING US AT A RAPID RATE. WE TURNED SLIGHTLY R TO AVOID FURTHER CONFLICT. ACR Y MADE NO CORRECTIVE ACTIONS AND LANDED WELL AHEAD OF US. I MADE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE PAX REGARDING THE CLOSE PROX OF OUR PLANES. SEVERAL PAX EXPRESSED CONCERN UPON DEPLANING. BASED ON THE RAPID OVERTAKE AND PASSING BY ACR Y WITH NO WARNING TO US THAT THIS WOULD TAKE PLACE (OTHER THAN THE RA) I BELIEVE THIS WAS AN UNSAFE SIT AND FILED A NEAR MISS RPT WITH NORCAL APCH. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 591060: ON FINAL APCH, ACR Y WAS ON APCH TO RWY 28L. NORCAL ASKED IF THEY WOULD MAINTAIN VISUAL WITH US. ACR Y REPLIED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. AT AROUND 1500 FT, ACR Y PASSED US ON APCH (SHORT FINAL). THE PROB OUR CREW HAD WAS THAT THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN VISUAL WITH US IF THEY ARE AHEAD OF US. THIS SIT OCCURS FREQUENTLY AT SAN FRANCISCO, AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. OUR MANUALS SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT WE ARE NOT TO PASS ACFT IN THIS SIT. THIS SIT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH NORCAL APCH SO WE ALL CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF GAME PLAN THAT WE CAN ALL FOLLOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.