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Attributes | |
ACN | 592091 |
Time | |
Date | 200308 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 31r |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 2400 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 592091 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 592374 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed missed approach other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
As we approached jfk, the captain copied the ATIS. ATIS indicated that we should expect an ILS to runway 31R for arrival (departures using runway 31L). As the PF, I briefed the ILS approach to runway 31R. A few mins later, we were handed off to new york approach and began receiving vectors for what we believed to be runway 31R. There were numerous buildups in the area and a large thunderstorm to the west and northwest which contributed to a high workload for us and the controller. Part way through our vectoring sequence, the person manning the frequency changed. At no time did I ever hear us assigned to a runway different than runway 31R (ie, runway 31L). Upon receiving our final vector and approach clearance, we were told to maintain 170 KTS until meals. At this point, we became concerned that the particular FAF (meals) was not on our approach plate and there was also traffic displayed on our TCASII ahead and (about 1000 ft below us) to our right. At this point, we were switched to tower frequency and due to the fact that the localizer was still full scale to the right (had not intercepted yet) and there was traffic 3 mi to our right, and below us, the captain queried the tower as to which runway we should be lined up for. Tower responded runway 31L. As we had not started a descent from our initially cleared altitude and were not established on the localizer for runway 31L (we were set up for runway 31R as that was our expected runway and not runway 31L), we elected to be revectored for the approach. We were revectored for the runway 31L approach and landed without further incident. No conflict with traffic occurred. Factors contributing to this scenario include: 1) change of controllers during vectoring leading to lack of communication of change in landing runway. 2) upon landing, the ATIS had changed from the time we received it to indicate landing on runway 31L&right. 3) we expected runway 31R. 4) to the best of my knowledge, we were not told to expect runway 31L prior to being cleared for the approach. Supplemental information from acn 592374: we were told to fly a heading to intercept the localizer and maintain 3000 ft until established and contact the tower at meals. I was PNF and read back the clearance, possibly reading back runway 31L as the runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER LISTENING TO ATIS, A CL65 CREW SET UP FOR ILS RWY 31R INTO JFK BUT ARE VECTORED AND TURNED ONTO THE RWY 31L FINAL.
Narrative: AS WE APCHED JFK, THE CAPT COPIED THE ATIS. ATIS INDICATED THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT AN ILS TO RWY 31R FOR ARR (DEPS USING RWY 31L). AS THE PF, I BRIEFED THE ILS APCH TO RWY 31R. A FEW MINS LATER, WE WERE HANDED OFF TO NEW YORK APCH AND BEGAN RECEIVING VECTORS FOR WHAT WE BELIEVED TO BE RWY 31R. THERE WERE NUMEROUS BUILDUPS IN THE AREA AND A LARGE TSTM TO THE W AND NW WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO A HIGH WORKLOAD FOR US AND THE CTLR. PART WAY THROUGH OUR VECTORING SEQUENCE, THE PERSON MANNING THE FREQ CHANGED. AT NO TIME DID I EVER HEAR US ASSIGNED TO A RWY DIFFERENT THAN RWY 31R (IE, RWY 31L). UPON RECEIVING OUR FINAL VECTOR AND APCH CLRNC, WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 170 KTS UNTIL MEALS. AT THIS POINT, WE BECAME CONCERNED THAT THE PARTICULAR FAF (MEALS) WAS NOT ON OUR APCH PLATE AND THERE WAS ALSO TFC DISPLAYED ON OUR TCASII AHEAD AND (ABOUT 1000 FT BELOW US) TO OUR R. AT THIS POINT, WE WERE SWITCHED TO TWR FREQ AND DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE LOC WAS STILL FULL SCALE TO THE R (HAD NOT INTERCEPTED YET) AND THERE WAS TFC 3 MI TO OUR R, AND BELOW US, THE CAPT QUERIED THE TWR AS TO WHICH RWY WE SHOULD BE LINED UP FOR. TWR RESPONDED RWY 31L. AS WE HAD NOT STARTED A DSCNT FROM OUR INITIALLY CLRED ALT AND WERE NOT ESTABLISHED ON THE LOC FOR RWY 31L (WE WERE SET UP FOR RWY 31R AS THAT WAS OUR EXPECTED RWY AND NOT RWY 31L), WE ELECTED TO BE REVECTORED FOR THE APCH. WE WERE REVECTORED FOR THE RWY 31L APCH AND LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. NO CONFLICT WITH TFC OCCURRED. FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS SCENARIO INCLUDE: 1) CHANGE OF CTLRS DURING VECTORING LEADING TO LACK OF COM OF CHANGE IN LNDG RWY. 2) UPON LNDG, THE ATIS HAD CHANGED FROM THE TIME WE RECEIVED IT TO INDICATE LNDG ON RWY 31L&R. 3) WE EXPECTED RWY 31R. 4) TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WE WERE NOT TOLD TO EXPECT RWY 31L PRIOR TO BEING CLRED FOR THE APCH. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 592374: WE WERE TOLD TO FLY A HDG TO INTERCEPT THE LOC AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED AND CONTACT THE TWR AT MEALS. I WAS PNF AND READ BACK THE CLRNC, POSSIBLY READING BACK RWY 31L AS THE RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.