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C560 crew had a last second runway change while on the paradise four arrival to lax. This resulted in the crew overshooting the turn, and being unable to make the assigned crossing altitude.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 593184 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200309 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : tnp.vortac |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Citation V |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : pdz 4 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9900 |
| ASRS Report | 593184 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course none taken : insufficient time |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance FAA ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : sct.tracon |
Narrative:
On a passenger flight from phx to lax, we were given the pdz 4 arrival. The FMS was programmed and verified by both crew members with the crossing restrs entered, prior to departure. Center gave us a clearance to proceed direct konzl pdz 4, cross konzl at 17000 ft. Prior to leaving 17000 ft we called center to report leaving an assigned altitude. Center responded by giving us a frequency change. The next controller asked who cleared us, and we told him the previous controller. We asked him to verify that we were to continue to 'descend via the pdz 4.' he said 'yes, pdz 4, fuelr, slow to 210 KTS, cross fuelr at 8000 ft, cleared ILS runway 25L.' due to the late clearance (indecision) and the speed reduction, and a later speed reduction to 190 KTS, and being 5 mi in trail to a B757, the gear had to be lowered at 230 KTS. We were unable to cross fuelr at 8000 ft, set up the ILS, and slow at the same time. By the time the ILS was set up, we were 2 dots right off course and correcting. This incident was caused by a late controller handoff.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C560 CREW HAD A LAST SECOND RWY CHANGE WHILE ON THE PARADISE FOUR ARR TO LAX. THIS RESULTED IN THE CREW OVERSHOOTING THE TURN, AND BEING UNABLE TO MAKE THE ASSIGNED XING ALT.
Narrative: ON A PAX FLT FROM PHX TO LAX, WE WERE GIVEN THE PDZ 4 ARR. THE FMS WAS PROGRAMMED AND VERIFIED BY BOTH CREW MEMBERS WITH THE XING RESTRS ENTERED, PRIOR TO DEP. CTR GAVE US A CLRNC TO PROCEED DIRECT KONZL PDZ 4, CROSS KONZL AT 17000 FT. PRIOR TO LEAVING 17000 FT WE CALLED CTR TO RPT LEAVING AN ASSIGNED ALT. CTR RESPONDED BY GIVING US A FREQ CHANGE. THE NEXT CTLR ASKED WHO CLRED US, AND WE TOLD HIM THE PREVIOUS CTLR. WE ASKED HIM TO VERIFY THAT WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO 'DSND VIA THE PDZ 4.' HE SAID 'YES, PDZ 4, FUELR, SLOW TO 210 KTS, CROSS FUELR AT 8000 FT, CLRED ILS RWY 25L.' DUE TO THE LATE CLRNC (INDECISION) AND THE SPD REDUCTION, AND A LATER SPD REDUCTION TO 190 KTS, AND BEING 5 MI IN TRAIL TO A B757, THE GEAR HAD TO BE LOWERED AT 230 KTS. WE WERE UNABLE TO CROSS FUELR AT 8000 FT, SET UP THE ILS, AND SLOW AT THE SAME TIME. BY THE TIME THE ILS WAS SET UP, WE WERE 2 DOTS R OFF COURSE AND CORRECTING. THIS INCIDENT WAS CAUSED BY A LATE CTLR HDOF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.