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Attributes | |
ACN | 593577 |
Time | |
Date | 200309 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jac.airport |
State Reference | WY |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc.artcc tower : jac.tower tower : ane.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 320 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 593577 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departed jac with storm moving in from southwest. Departed to southeast. Tower handed me off to ATC. Several attempts on ATC frequency did not result in reply from ATC. Returned to tower to report problem. Advised to retry. Still no response. Back to tower for additional help. Advised to continue trying. Ceiling at 12000 ft. Did not feel it was a good idea to enter clouds without ATC call back. Told tower I did not want to enter clouds without ATC and reported that I would circle back to jac. While circling, became aware that jac was socked in with storm. Continued to circle. Received call from ATC and continued on course. While circling, tower advised to follow departure procedure under pressure. Decided it was best to aviate rather than fumble through plates to appropriate departure procedure. In retrospect, I realize I should have continued into clouds, however, this was the first time I encountered a problem communicating with ATC. This really threw me off. Situation would be avoided in 3 ways: 1) past experience with similar problem (I will continue on course next time), 2) ATC timely response to departing traffic, or 3) tower specifically suggest continue on course into IMC (flight in mountains does make this an unnerving alternative).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR PA28 DEP FROM JAC EXPERIENCED RADIO PROBS AND DECIDED TO CIRCLE RATHER THAN COMPLY WITH CLRNC AND ENTER IMC.
Narrative: DEPARTED JAC WITH STORM MOVING IN FROM SW. DEPARTED TO SE. TWR HANDED ME OFF TO ATC. SEVERAL ATTEMPTS ON ATC FREQ DID NOT RESULT IN REPLY FROM ATC. RETURNED TO TWR TO RPT PROB. ADVISED TO RETRY. STILL NO RESPONSE. BACK TO TWR FOR ADDITIONAL HELP. ADVISED TO CONTINUE TRYING. CEILING AT 12000 FT. DID NOT FEEL IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO ENTER CLOUDS WITHOUT ATC CALL BACK. TOLD TWR I DID NOT WANT TO ENTER CLOUDS WITHOUT ATC AND RPTED THAT I WOULD CIRCLE BACK TO JAC. WHILE CIRCLING, BECAME AWARE THAT JAC WAS SOCKED IN WITH STORM. CONTINUED TO CIRCLE. RECEIVED CALL FROM ATC AND CONTINUED ON COURSE. WHILE CIRCLING, TWR ADVISED TO FOLLOW DEP PROC UNDER PRESSURE. DECIDED IT WAS BEST TO AVIATE RATHER THAN FUMBLE THROUGH PLATES TO APPROPRIATE DEP PROC. IN RETROSPECT, I REALIZE I SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED INTO CLOUDS, HOWEVER, THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I ENCOUNTERED A PROB COMMUNICATING WITH ATC. THIS REALLY THREW ME OFF. SIT WOULD BE AVOIDED IN 3 WAYS: 1) PAST EXPERIENCE WITH SIMILAR PROB (I WILL CONTINUE ON COURSE NEXT TIME), 2) ATC TIMELY RESPONSE TO DEPARTING TFC, OR 3) TWR SPECIFICALLY SUGGEST CONTINUE ON COURSE INTO IMC (FLT IN MOUNTAINS DOES MAKE THIS AN UNNERVING ALTERNATIVE).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.