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Attributes | |
ACN | 594030 |
Time | |
Date | 200308 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : dubbl |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : mrlin |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8927 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 594030 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3-4 |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While descending on mrlin arrival into fll, we were cleared down to 15000 ft, passing 16000 ft, opposite direction traffic climbing to 15000 ft was reported to us. I started to level off, and asked PNF to verify altitude assignment, simultaneously, opposite direction aircraft reported 'aircraft descending into (his) altitude,' on TCASII. The controller said 'verify descending to 16000 ft' to us, and when we told him we were assigned 15000 ft, he amended it to 16000 ft. Once on the ground I spoke to an ATC supervisor on the phone who verified that we were, in fact, cleared to 15000 ft as we believed. He said there may have been an amended clearance to stop at 16000 ft, but none had been received or responded to. He also said separation standards were not violated, and that there 'may have been a controller error,' but that he expected no further action would be taken.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 DSNDING TO LAND FLL, ASSIGNED 15000 FT, LEVELED OFF WHEN TOLD OF TFC CLBING TO 15000 FT.
Narrative: WHILE DSNDING ON MRLIN ARR INTO FLL, WE WERE CLRED DOWN TO 15000 FT, PASSING 16000 FT, OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC CLBING TO 15000 FT WAS RPTED TO US. I STARTED TO LEVEL OFF, AND ASKED PNF TO VERIFY ALT ASSIGNMENT, SIMULTANEOUSLY, OPPOSITE DIRECTION ACFT RPTED 'ACFT DSNDING INTO (HIS) ALT,' ON TCASII. THE CTLR SAID 'VERIFY DSNDING TO 16000 FT' TO US, AND WHEN WE TOLD HIM WE WERE ASSIGNED 15000 FT, HE AMENDED IT TO 16000 FT. ONCE ON THE GND I SPOKE TO AN ATC SUPVR ON THE PHONE WHO VERIFIED THAT WE WERE, IN FACT, CLRED TO 15000 FT AS WE BELIEVED. HE SAID THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN AMENDED CLRNC TO STOP AT 16000 FT, BUT NONE HAD BEEN RECEIVED OR RESPONDED TO. HE ALSO SAID SEPARATION STANDARDS WERE NOT VIOLATED, AND THAT THERE 'MAY HAVE BEEN A CTLR ERROR,' BUT THAT HE EXPECTED NO FURTHER ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.