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Attributes | |
ACN | 594974 |
Time | |
Date | 200309 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : catta |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 8l other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 594974 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On final for a visual approach to runway 8L at atl. Level at 4000 ft MSL and about to intercept the ILS GS on the localizer. Got 'traffic, traffic' from TCASII and spotted an md-80 in a right turn, approaching from our right side. Md-80 appeared to be turning to intercept final to runway 9R (parallel), but over-shooting. All 3 of us in cockpit (including relief pilot) saw the md-80. Md-80 stayed in shallow right turn, but continued to approach our aircraft. I disconnected the autoplt to prevent our aircraft from starting down the GS. (Md-80 was slightly lower). Somewhere in here, approach control advised about overshooting aircraft, but did not issue any instructions. As md-80 closed, I began a climb (shallow) to ensure some vertical separation. TCASII RA said 'monitor vertical speed,' but I don't know what vertical speed was advised, because I was watching the md-80, not the vsi. The md-80 continued to close and flew under our aircraft. It disappeared there for 5-10 seconds, then re-appeared on our right in a right turn back toward the runway 9R final. Consider this a TCASII save. I will be interested to see what the radar tapes show for vertical separation. Lateral separation was zero. Long story short -- md-80 overshot final, eventually lining up on the parallel runway. Aircraft on parallel final is cued by TCASII, gets a visual, and avoids collision. Crew coordination in our aircraft was excellent. Relief pilot unstrapped and moved to the window behind me in order to maintain visual on traffic. Captain helped monitor speed. Confign, and altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 EXPERIENCED NMAC WITH MD80 AT 4000 FT IN ATL.
Narrative: ON FINAL FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 8L AT ATL. LEVEL AT 4000 FT MSL AND ABOUT TO INTERCEPT THE ILS GS ON THE LOC. GOT 'TFC, TFC' FROM TCASII AND SPOTTED AN MD-80 IN A R TURN, APCHING FROM OUR R SIDE. MD-80 APPEARED TO BE TURNING TO INTERCEPT FINAL TO RWY 9R (PARALLEL), BUT OVER-SHOOTING. ALL 3 OF US IN COCKPIT (INCLUDING RELIEF PLT) SAW THE MD-80. MD-80 STAYED IN SHALLOW R TURN, BUT CONTINUED TO APCH OUR ACFT. I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT TO PREVENT OUR ACFT FROM STARTING DOWN THE GS. (MD-80 WAS SLIGHTLY LOWER). SOMEWHERE IN HERE, APCH CTL ADVISED ABOUT OVERSHOOTING ACFT, BUT DID NOT ISSUE ANY INSTRUCTIONS. AS MD-80 CLOSED, I BEGAN A CLB (SHALLOW) TO ENSURE SOME VERT SEPARATION. TCASII RA SAID 'MONITOR VERT SPD,' BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT VERT SPD WAS ADVISED, BECAUSE I WAS WATCHING THE MD-80, NOT THE VSI. THE MD-80 CONTINUED TO CLOSE AND FLEW UNDER OUR ACFT. IT DISAPPEARED THERE FOR 5-10 SECONDS, THEN RE-APPEARED ON OUR R IN A R TURN BACK TOWARD THE RWY 9R FINAL. CONSIDER THIS A TCASII SAVE. I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE RADAR TAPES SHOW FOR VERT SEPARATION. LATERAL SEPARATION WAS ZERO. LONG STORY SHORT -- MD-80 OVERSHOT FINAL, EVENTUALLY LINING UP ON THE PARALLEL RWY. ACFT ON PARALLEL FINAL IS CUED BY TCASII, GETS A VISUAL, AND AVOIDS COLLISION. CREW COORD IN OUR ACFT WAS EXCELLENT. RELIEF PLT UNSTRAPPED AND MOVED TO THE WINDOW BEHIND ME IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN VISUAL ON TFC. CAPT HELPED MONITOR SPD. CONFIGN, AND ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.