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A F900 flight crew taxied past the hold short line of runway 33 at det. They claim it was due to a faded hold line.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 595239 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200309 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : det.airport |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 595239 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On sept/thurs/03, I had just picked up a passenger from a current FBO at det in det, mi. Ground control was contacted and we were advised to taxi to runway 33. As we began to taxi, it was unclear where the hold short line for runway 33 was located. We checked our commercial airport chart, however no holding point was noticed. The only taxi sign that was visible was a runway 33 sign and the approach end of runway 33 could be seen approximately 50 ft in front of the aircraft. At this point ground control came back and said we just passed the runway hold short line for runway 33. The aircraft passed the hold short line by approximately 8 ft and the runway was still approximately 40 ft in front of the aircraft. There was no incursion to the runway or conflict with any aircraft. On the return trip to det, a faded hold short line was noticed between the ramp and the beginning of the runway 33 taxiway. I feel poor taxi signs and a faded hold short line in close proximity to the FBO ramp, was the cause of me taxiing past the line.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A F900 FLT CREW TAXIED PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE OF RWY 33 AT DET. THEY CLAIM IT WAS DUE TO A FADED HOLD LINE.
Narrative: ON SEPT/THURS/03, I HAD JUST PICKED UP A PAX FROM A CURRENT FBO AT DET IN DET, MI. GND CTL WAS CONTACTED AND WE WERE ADVISED TO TAXI TO RWY 33. AS WE BEGAN TO TAXI, IT WAS UNCLEAR WHERE THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 33 WAS LOCATED. WE CHECKED OUR COMMERCIAL ARPT CHART, HOWEVER NO HOLDING POINT WAS NOTICED. THE ONLY TAXI SIGN THAT WAS VISIBLE WAS A RWY 33 SIGN AND THE APCH END OF RWY 33 COULD BE SEEN APPROX 50 FT IN FRONT OF THE ACFT. AT THIS POINT GND CTL CAME BACK AND SAID WE JUST PASSED THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 33. THE ACFT PASSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE BY APPROX 8 FT AND THE RWY WAS STILL APPROX 40 FT IN FRONT OF THE ACFT. THERE WAS NO INCURSION TO THE RWY OR CONFLICT WITH ANY ACFT. ON THE RETURN TRIP TO DET, A FADED HOLD SHORT LINE WAS NOTICED BTWN THE RAMP AND THE BEGINNING OF THE RWY 33 TXWY. I FEEL POOR TAXI SIGNS AND A FADED HOLD SHORT LINE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE FBO RAMP, WAS THE CAUSE OF ME TAXIING PAST THE LINE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.