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Attributes | |
ACN | 595282 |
Time | |
Date | 200310 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mia.tower tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mia.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 595282 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 595283 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
With the conflict controling we rolled long after landing, turning off at the runway end. Wind was reported variable 6 KTS. The HUD confirmed a quartering left tailwind of 3-4 KTS at 50 ft. The copilot used the localizer with LNAV/VNAV to back up a visual approach to the PAPI for final path guidance. The touchdown was in the normal touchdown zone, but because of the tailwind and use of normal deceleration maneuvering, we rolled long. It was not a briefed event. I briefed and the copilot acknowledged a right turnoff when able so as to use the loop taxi route to spot 3. Clearing the active, I noticed 2 issues. The first officer reported an aircraft making a go around, and we weren't getting any instructions for taxi. When we called for clearance, we discovered the radio was selected to approach. Tower was in standby. I immediately doubted I had gotten clearance to land, and I had created a safety issue because of it. My normal 'cleared to land' cue had been there. The landing lights had been on, but I doubted, so I called tower after arriving to operations. The respondent said 'yes, I cleared you to land, the other captain thought he didn't have room because you rolled so long, so he went around.' I don't know when the radio might have been switched. One of us may have reflex switched on clearing the runway. We didn't purposely control so as to cause a long rollout in order to clear at the end. The increased distance was due to increased ground speed due to tailwind and normal deceleration. Supplemental information from acn 595283: there was a runway change in progress and mia approach was busy with several arrs. We were handed off to a final approach controller and cleared the visual runway 8. After landing I noticed the captain had never switched over to tower, and he could not recall if he had heard our landing clearance. I switched to mia tower frequency 118.3 for clearance after landing and they said nothing unusual, just the normal cleared to cross runway 9L and contact ground frequency .8 on the other side. Mia ground control cleared us to the gate. They seemed unconcerned that anything was out of the ordinary.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-800 CREW LANDED WITHOUT CONTACTING THE TWR AT MIA. THE ACFT HAD A LONG ROLL. ANOTHER ACR WAS REQUIRED TO GAR.
Narrative: WITH THE CONFLICT CTLING WE ROLLED LONG AFTER LNDG, TURNING OFF AT THE RWY END. WIND WAS RPTED VARIABLE 6 KTS. THE HUD CONFIRMED A QUARTERING L TAILWIND OF 3-4 KTS AT 50 FT. THE COPLT USED THE LOC WITH LNAV/VNAV TO BACK UP A VISUAL APCH TO THE PAPI FOR FINAL PATH GUIDANCE. THE TOUCHDOWN WAS IN THE NORMAL TOUCHDOWN ZONE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TAILWIND AND USE OF NORMAL DECELERATION MANEUVERING, WE ROLLED LONG. IT WAS NOT A BRIEFED EVENT. I BRIEFED AND THE COPLT ACKNOWLEDGED A R TURNOFF WHEN ABLE SO AS TO USE THE LOOP TAXI RTE TO SPOT 3. CLRING THE ACTIVE, I NOTICED 2 ISSUES. THE FO RPTED AN ACFT MAKING A GAR, AND WE WEREN'T GETTING ANY INSTRUCTIONS FOR TAXI. WHEN WE CALLED FOR CLRNC, WE DISCOVERED THE RADIO WAS SELECTED TO APCH. TWR WAS IN STANDBY. I IMMEDIATELY DOUBTED I HAD GOTTEN CLRNC TO LAND, AND I HAD CREATED A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE OF IT. MY NORMAL 'CLRED TO LAND' CUE HAD BEEN THERE. THE LNDG LIGHTS HAD BEEN ON, BUT I DOUBTED, SO I CALLED TWR AFTER ARRIVING TO OPS. THE RESPONDENT SAID 'YES, I CLRED YOU TO LAND, THE OTHER CAPT THOUGHT HE DIDN'T HAVE ROOM BECAUSE YOU ROLLED SO LONG, SO HE WENT AROUND.' I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE RADIO MIGHT HAVE BEEN SWITCHED. ONE OF US MAY HAVE REFLEX SWITCHED ON CLRING THE RWY. WE DIDN'T PURPOSELY CTL SO AS TO CAUSE A LONG ROLLOUT IN ORDER TO CLR AT THE END. THE INCREASED DISTANCE WAS DUE TO INCREASED GND SPD DUE TO TAILWIND AND NORMAL DECELERATION. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 595283: THERE WAS A RWY CHANGE IN PROGRESS AND MIA APCH WAS BUSY WITH SEVERAL ARRS. WE WERE HANDED OFF TO A FINAL APCH CTLR AND CLRED THE VISUAL RWY 8. AFTER LNDG I NOTICED THE CAPT HAD NEVER SWITCHED OVER TO TWR, AND HE COULD NOT RECALL IF HE HAD HEARD OUR LNDG CLRNC. I SWITCHED TO MIA TWR FREQ 118.3 FOR CLRNC AFTER LNDG AND THEY SAID NOTHING UNUSUAL, JUST THE NORMAL CLRED TO CROSS RWY 9L AND CONTACT GND FREQ .8 ON THE OTHER SIDE. MIA GND CTL CLRED US TO THE GATE. THEY SEEMED UNCONCERNED THAT ANYTHING WAS OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.