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Attributes | |
ACN | 597480 |
Time | |
Date | 200310 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tracon : n90.tracon tower : jfk.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 93 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 597480 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Airport Company FAA Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility procedure or policy : jfk.airport |
Narrative:
With inboard antiskid deferred, I requested that center give advance communication to approach that the long (departure) runway was requested. Center replied that nypa only authorized that if an emergency is declared, even though this was not an emergency but rather an abnormal situation. We are trained that good judgement/decision-making when a longer runway is appropriate is to consider and be alert to a longer runway being available, to force pilots to either ignore training and check rides or to misrepresent an abnormal situation as an emergency has a negative safety impact. I recommend either ATC and/or nypa rescind such policies, or that the FAA disallow anti-skid deferral. A second issue is that though I repeated the request for the longer runway, I did not declare an emergency. ATC approach asked for souls and fuel on board anyway and had the FAA contact company as if I had declared an emergency. A third issue is equipment was rolled even though I specifically declined equipment. The appearance is deliberately 'raising the stakes' (the 'pain index') for doing what crews are trained for.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL65 PIC IS REBUKED BY ZNY CTLR FOR REQUESTING THE LONG RWY FOR LNDG BECAUSE OF AN INOP ANTISKID SYS, ADVISING OF AND THEN DECLARING AN EMER FOR THE CREW AT JFK, NY.
Narrative: WITH INBOARD ANTISKID DEFERRED, I REQUESTED THAT CTR GIVE ADVANCE COM TO APCH THAT THE LONG (DEP) RWY WAS REQUESTED. CTR REPLIED THAT NYPA ONLY AUTHORIZED THAT IF AN EMER IS DECLARED, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS NOT AN EMER BUT RATHER AN ABNORMAL SIT. WE ARE TRAINED THAT GOOD JUDGEMENT/DECISION-MAKING WHEN A LONGER RWY IS APPROPRIATE IS TO CONSIDER AND BE ALERT TO A LONGER RWY BEING AVAILABLE, TO FORCE PLTS TO EITHER IGNORE TRAINING AND CHK RIDES OR TO MISREPRESENT AN ABNORMAL SIT AS AN EMER HAS A NEGATIVE SAFETY IMPACT. I RECOMMEND EITHER ATC AND/OR NYPA RESCIND SUCH POLICIES, OR THAT THE FAA DISALLOW ANTI-SKID DEFERRAL. A SECOND ISSUE IS THAT THOUGH I REPEATED THE REQUEST FOR THE LONGER RWY, I DID NOT DECLARE AN EMER. ATC APCH ASKED FOR SOULS AND FUEL ON BOARD ANYWAY AND HAD THE FAA CONTACT COMPANY AS IF I HAD DECLARED AN EMER. A THIRD ISSUE IS EQUIP WAS ROLLED EVEN THOUGH I SPECIFICALLY DECLINED EQUIP. THE APPEARANCE IS DELIBERATELY 'RAISING THE STAKES' (THE 'PAIN INDEX') FOR DOING WHAT CREWS ARE TRAINED FOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.