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A C182 pilot on the ground, planning on using the localizer for either runway 4 or runway 22 attempts to find out if back course localizer runway 22 is available when the front course is notamed OTS at uin, il.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 597612 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200310 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : uin.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 27.2 flight time total : 246 flight time type : 244.9 |
| ASRS Report | 597612 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | other personnel |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA Navigational Facility Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : uin.fss |
| Airport | procedure or policy : uin.airport |
| Publication | NOTAM |
Narrative:
Reference NOTAM 10/006 -- uin runway 4 ILS llz OTS. On postflt, I called FSS and asked if the uin back course runway 22 was operational since the above NOTAM indicated front course runway 4 localizer was OTS. FSS did not know. I called via land line ZKC for clarification if back course runway 22 was OTS and they could not tell me using the information they had, however, during my call an aircraft which happened to be 2 NM from uin was requested to check the back course localizer and it was determined it is OTS. I am of the understanding that a front course localizer may be placed OTS for a 'flight-check' leaving the back course usable and available. In the interest of safety, my suggestion is that any NOTAMS pertaining to localizer's clearly specify if both the front course and back course are OTS. Since the above NOTAM doesn't mention back course runway 22, one might presume it's available, which may or may not be the case.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C182 PLT ON THE GND, PLANNING ON USING THE LOC FOR EITHER RWY 4 OR RWY 22 ATTEMPTS TO FIND OUT IF BACK COURSE LOC RWY 22 IS AVAILABLE WHEN THE FRONT COURSE IS NOTAMED OTS AT UIN, IL.
Narrative: REF NOTAM 10/006 -- UIN RWY 4 ILS LLZ OTS. ON POSTFLT, I CALLED FSS AND ASKED IF THE UIN BACK COURSE RWY 22 WAS OPERATIONAL SINCE THE ABOVE NOTAM INDICATED FRONT COURSE RWY 4 LOC WAS OTS. FSS DID NOT KNOW. I CALLED VIA LAND LINE ZKC FOR CLARIFICATION IF BACK COURSE RWY 22 WAS OTS AND THEY COULD NOT TELL ME USING THE INFO THEY HAD, HOWEVER, DURING MY CALL AN ACFT WHICH HAPPENED TO BE 2 NM FROM UIN WAS REQUESTED TO CHK THE BACK COURSE LOC AND IT WAS DETERMINED IT IS OTS. I AM OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT A FRONT COURSE LOC MAY BE PLACED OTS FOR A 'FLT-CHK' LEAVING THE BACK COURSE USABLE AND AVAILABLE. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT ANY NOTAMS PERTAINING TO LOC'S CLRLY SPECIFY IF BOTH THE FRONT COURSE AND BACK COURSE ARE OTS. SINCE THE ABOVE NOTAM DOESN'T MENTION BACK COURSE RWY 22, ONE MIGHT PRESUME IT'S AVAILABLE, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE CASE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.