Ce-650 crew had the controller ask if they were familiar with the area in an attempt to short cut IF...

Attributes
ACN	599439
Time
Date	200311
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : zdv.artcc
State Reference	CO
Altitude	msl single value : 14000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdv.artcc
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Citation III, VI, VII
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 700
ASRS Report	599439
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other
Independent Detector	atc equipment : msaw other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : diverted to alternate flight crew : exited adverse environment
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Weather
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

We were on an IFR flight plan from ict to ase. We descended into the ase area and made one last check on the WX at ase. It was now below our company accepted landing minimums. We requested ATC to rerte us to ege because the WX there was acceptable. They gave us clearance to red table VOR, then the localizer B approach. We departed red table and headed for talia intersection on the localizer B approach. Just after red table, the controller cleared us to 14000 ft. We descended to 14000 ft and passed talia outbound on the procedure turn which was a holding pattern course reversal. After passing talia center, asked if we were familiar with the approach then followed up with a 'turn to 330 degrees and climb to 16000 ft because you are headed for high terrain.' then the controller told us to join the 198 degree radial of kremmling to rrivr intersection and cleared for the approach. We asked what approach, because this was not on the localizer B approach. Again, we were challenged with 'aren't you familiar with the approach?' I asked the controller which approach she wanted us to do, suspecting she was moving us over the localizer/DME C approach. We completed the localizer/DME C approach without any problems and made a normal landing. My concerns are: 1) why did the controller question us on why we were going past talia (executing the problem turn) probably thinking we were not following the IAP. 2) why did the controller challenge us twice on our 'familiarity' with the IAP's?

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CE-650 CREW HAD THE CTLR ASK IF THEY WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA IN AN ATTEMPT TO SHORT CUT IFR FLT PROCS.

Narrative: WE WERE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM ICT TO ASE. WE DSNDED INTO THE ASE AREA AND MADE ONE LAST CHK ON THE WX AT ASE. IT WAS NOW BELOW OUR COMPANY ACCEPTED LNDG MINIMUMS. WE REQUESTED ATC TO RERTE US TO EGE BECAUSE THE WX THERE WAS ACCEPTABLE. THEY GAVE US CLRNC TO RED TABLE VOR, THEN THE LOC B APCH. WE DEPARTED RED TABLE AND HEADED FOR TALIA INTXN ON THE LOC B APCH. JUST AFTER RED TABLE, THE CTLR CLRED US TO 14000 FT. WE DSNDED TO 14000 FT AND PASSED TALIA OUTBOUND ON THE PROC TURN WHICH WAS A HOLDING PATTERN COURSE REVERSAL. AFTER PASSING TALIA CTR, ASKED IF WE WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE APCH THEN FOLLOWED UP WITH A 'TURN TO 330 DEGS AND CLB TO 16000 FT BECAUSE YOU ARE HEADED FOR HIGH TERRAIN.' THEN THE CTLR TOLD US TO JOIN THE 198 DEG RADIAL OF KREMMLING TO RRIVR INTXN AND CLRED FOR THE APCH. WE ASKED WHAT APCH, BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT ON THE LOC B APCH. AGAIN, WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH 'AREN'T YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE APCH?' I ASKED THE CTLR WHICH APCH SHE WANTED US TO DO, SUSPECTING SHE WAS MOVING US OVER THE LOC/DME C APCH. WE COMPLETED THE LOC/DME C APCH WITHOUT ANY PROBS AND MADE A NORMAL LNDG. MY CONCERNS ARE: 1) WHY DID THE CTLR QUESTION US ON WHY WE WERE GOING PAST TALIA (EXECUTING THE PROB TURN) PROBABLY THINKING WE WERE NOT FOLLOWING THE IAP. 2) WHY DID THE CTLR CHALLENGE US TWICE ON OUR 'FAMILIARITY' WITH THE IAP'S?

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Ce-650 crew had the controller ask if they were familiar with the area in an attempt to short cut IFR flight procedures.