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Attributes | |
ACN | 599577 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Sat |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 599577 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 599556 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 80 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Airport Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
All had gone normally and we were at 11000 ft on the paradise 4 arrival into lax with the transition to runway 25L. Approximately .6 mi from arnes, socal approach reclred us to the runway 25R transition. This took us about 45 seconds to reprogram the FMS and ILS frequency and we had a mild overshoot for runway 25R localizer since we had been assigned 230 KTS. After we had intercepted the runway 25R localizer and were on course inbound with the autoplt coupled up, socal approach told us that an air carrier Y brasilia would be flying abeam us for the visual to runway 25L, and would not pull in front of us, and we acknowledged. At about 2100 ft on the approach, TCASII gave us an RA to descend and was requesting about 1300 FPM down as a result of the other aircraft being behind us high and descending. The airplane images on our TCASII were superimposed. We had nowhere to go and maintained GS and course guidance. Shortly after that the E120 pulled abeam slightly high and then forward of us. The first officer read 100 ft on the TCASII and I estimate him to have been in the 60-80 ft range from my cockpit! (Not the wingtip!) on about a 20 degree angle forward of my 3-9 line. They slowly descended after they got ahead of us (I could see into his cockpit) and then went below us to the left and triggered another TCASII RA. When approach switched us to tower I told them I would be writing a report.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF B767 RECEIVE 2 TCASII RA'S AND EXPERIENCE AN NMAC ON RWY 25R INST APCH TO LAX. OTHER ACFT ON VFR ARR FOR ADJACENT RWY 25L.
Narrative: ALL HAD GONE NORMALLY AND WE WERE AT 11000 FT ON THE PARADISE 4 ARR INTO LAX WITH THE TRANSITION TO RWY 25L. APPROX .6 MI FROM ARNES, SOCAL APCH RECLRED US TO THE RWY 25R TRANSITION. THIS TOOK US ABOUT 45 SECONDS TO REPROGRAM THE FMS AND ILS FREQ AND WE HAD A MILD OVERSHOOT FOR RWY 25R LOC SINCE WE HAD BEEN ASSIGNED 230 KTS. AFTER WE HAD INTERCEPTED THE RWY 25R LOC AND WERE ON COURSE INBOUND WITH THE AUTOPLT COUPLED UP, SOCAL APCH TOLD US THAT AN ACR Y BRASILIA WOULD BE FLYING ABEAM US FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 25L, AND WOULD NOT PULL IN FRONT OF US, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED. AT ABOUT 2100 FT ON THE APCH, TCASII GAVE US AN RA TO DSND AND WAS REQUESTING ABOUT 1300 FPM DOWN AS A RESULT OF THE OTHER ACFT BEING BEHIND US HIGH AND DSNDING. THE AIRPLANE IMAGES ON OUR TCASII WERE SUPERIMPOSED. WE HAD NOWHERE TO GO AND MAINTAINED GS AND COURSE GUIDANCE. SHORTLY AFTER THAT THE E120 PULLED ABEAM SLIGHTLY HIGH AND THEN FORWARD OF US. THE FO READ 100 FT ON THE TCASII AND I ESTIMATE HIM TO HAVE BEEN IN THE 60-80 FT RANGE FROM MY COCKPIT! (NOT THE WINGTIP!) ON ABOUT A 20 DEG ANGLE FORWARD OF MY 3-9 LINE. THEY SLOWLY DSNDED AFTER THEY GOT AHEAD OF US (I COULD SEE INTO HIS COCKPIT) AND THEN WENT BELOW US TO THE L AND TRIGGERED ANOTHER TCASII RA. WHEN APCH SWITCHED US TO TWR I TOLD THEM I WOULD BE WRITING A RPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.