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Attributes | |
ACN | 599855 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : oak.vor |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 23500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 599855 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Norcal approach asked if we had oakland in sight. The first officer flying pointed to the airport. I told approach the airport was in sight. The controller then asked if we had visual with another carrier traffic at our 1 O'clock position, and 6 mi. Once again, the first officer pointed to the traffic and said, 'in sight.' I saw the traffic and reported, 'traffic in sight' to approach. The controller then said, 'company flight number, follow the traffic for the visual to runway 29.' a few seconds passed as we started out of our assigned altitude. Approach issued a clearance to 5000 ft. My response was, 'I thought you cleared us for the visual to runway 29.' the controller pointed out that he wanted us to follow the other carrier. Since our altitude had not really changed before the descent clearance was issued, we did not deviate from our clearance. We, however, would have. Although technically correct, the controller's use of unusual, if not 'non-standard' phraseology could have caused a serious altitude deviation, in fact a complete approach. The controller should have said, 'navigation visually, follow other carrier, maintain 7000 ft.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 FLT CREW RECEIVES AN UNCLR CLRNC WHICH ALMOST LEADS TO AN ALTDEV.
Narrative: NORCAL APCH ASKED IF WE HAD OAKLAND IN SIGHT. THE FO FLYING POINTED TO THE ARPT. I TOLD APCH THE ARPT WAS IN SIGHT. THE CTLR THEN ASKED IF WE HAD VISUAL WITH ANOTHER CARRIER TFC AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS, AND 6 MI. ONCE AGAIN, THE FO POINTED TO THE TFC AND SAID, 'IN SIGHT.' I SAW THE TFC AND RPTED, 'TFC IN SIGHT' TO APCH. THE CTLR THEN SAID, 'COMPANY FLT NUMBER, FOLLOW THE TFC FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 29.' A FEW SECONDS PASSED AS WE STARTED OUT OF OUR ASSIGNED ALT. APCH ISSUED A CLRNC TO 5000 FT. MY RESPONSE WAS, 'I THOUGHT YOU CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 29.' THE CTLR POINTED OUT THAT HE WANTED US TO FOLLOW THE OTHER CARRIER. SINCE OUR ALT HAD NOT REALLY CHANGED BEFORE THE DSCNT CLRNC WAS ISSUED, WE DID NOT DEVIATE FROM OUR CLRNC. WE, HOWEVER, WOULD HAVE. ALTHOUGH TECHNICALLY CORRECT, THE CTLR'S USE OF UNUSUAL, IF NOT 'NON-STANDARD' PHRASEOLOGY COULD HAVE CAUSED A SERIOUS ALTDEV, IN FACT A COMPLETE APCH. THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE SAID, 'NAV VISUALLY, FOLLOW OTHER CARRIER, MAINTAIN 7000 FT.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.