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Attributes | |
ACN | 600170 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d01.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 600170 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We were on approach to runway 35R at den. Approach control cleared us to 7500 ft and then cleared us for a visual approach. First officer descended to 7000 ft which is altitude for FAF (fronz). ATC called traffic which we did not see and then told us to turn left to 270 degree heading to avoid traffic. In the turn we got an RA to 'climb' and first officer started an immediate climb. I then saw a light aircraft below and straight ahead. It's possible that we were below the TCA floor or the light aircraft was in the class B airspace. Looking at the commercial chart page later on, I believe we were in an area with a 7000 ft floor (maybe even 6500 ft). Adding to the confusion was the fact that den changed our runway 2 times -- runway 26 to runway 35L to runway 35R. So we had a very high workload. Although ATC can be extremely busy, they are intimately familiar with their own airspace, and I would think we could be warned if we got too low. (Could the controller's screen give him a warning if we were too low?) we might only fly into any given airport a few times a yr, yet we are expected to dynamically interpretation the information from that small commercial chart page. (Impossible if you get 2 runway changes!)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ON VISUAL APCH TO DEN EXPERIENCED TCASII RA WITH ATC ISSUED TFC.
Narrative: WE WERE ON APCH TO RWY 35R AT DEN. APCH CTL CLRED US TO 7500 FT AND THEN CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH. FO DSNDED TO 7000 FT WHICH IS ALT FOR FAF (FRONZ). ATC CALLED TFC WHICH WE DID NOT SEE AND THEN TOLD US TO TURN L TO 270 DEG HDG TO AVOID TFC. IN THE TURN WE GOT AN RA TO 'CLB' AND FO STARTED AN IMMEDIATE CLB. I THEN SAW A LIGHT ACFT BELOW AND STRAIGHT AHEAD. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE WERE BELOW THE TCA FLOOR OR THE LIGHT ACFT WAS IN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE. LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL CHART PAGE LATER ON, I BELIEVE WE WERE IN AN AREA WITH A 7000 FT FLOOR (MAYBE EVEN 6500 FT). ADDING TO THE CONFUSION WAS THE FACT THAT DEN CHANGED OUR RWY 2 TIMES -- RWY 26 TO RWY 35L TO RWY 35R. SO WE HAD A VERY HIGH WORKLOAD. ALTHOUGH ATC CAN BE EXTREMELY BUSY, THEY ARE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THEIR OWN AIRSPACE, AND I WOULD THINK WE COULD BE WARNED IF WE GOT TOO LOW. (COULD THE CTLR'S SCREEN GIVE HIM A WARNING IF WE WERE TOO LOW?) WE MIGHT ONLY FLY INTO ANY GIVEN ARPT A FEW TIMES A YR, YET WE ARE EXPECTED TO DYNAMICALLY INTERP THE INFO FROM THAT SMALL COMMERCIAL CHART PAGE. (IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU GET 2 RWY CHANGES!)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.