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A B727 is given a crossing restr that the first officer knew and stated to the captain that they were not going to meet without slowing down.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 601655 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200312 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : roa.airport |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9700 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : roa.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 601655 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ATC directed us to 'descend to 9000 ft MSL by 30 mi west of roanoke.' the captain was doing the descent, I advised him to slow down sooner so that we could descend below 10000 ft MSL at 250 KIAS and make our descent to 9000 ft MSL. The captain either ignored or refused to acknowledge my altitude/airspeed restrs that repeated ATC directive to be at 9000 ft by 30 mi west of roanoke. As a result of the captain having to stay at 10000 ft MSL until 250 KIAS, we ended up being at 9700 ft MSL at 30 NM from roanoke -- in direct violation of ATC requests for us to be there -- 30 NM at 9000 ft MSL.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 IS GIVEN A XING RESTR THAT THE FO KNEW AND STATED TO THE CAPT THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO MEET WITHOUT SLOWING DOWN.
Narrative: ATC DIRECTED US TO 'DSND TO 9000 FT MSL BY 30 MI W OF ROANOKE.' THE CAPT WAS DOING THE DSCNT, I ADVISED HIM TO SLOW DOWN SOONER SO THAT WE COULD DSND BELOW 10000 FT MSL AT 250 KIAS AND MAKE OUR DSCNT TO 9000 FT MSL. THE CAPT EITHER IGNORED OR REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY ALT/AIRSPD RESTRS THAT REPEATED ATC DIRECTIVE TO BE AT 9000 FT BY 30 MI W OF ROANOKE. AS A RESULT OF THE CAPT HAVING TO STAY AT 10000 FT MSL UNTIL 250 KIAS, WE ENDED UP BEING AT 9700 FT MSL AT 30 NM FROM ROANOKE -- IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF ATC REQUESTS FOR US TO BE THERE -- 30 NM AT 9000 FT MSL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.