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Attributes | |
ACN | 601720 |
Time | |
Date | 200312 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 26r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 1143 |
ASRS Report | 601720 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : altimeters other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | aircraft : automation overrode flight crew flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : returned to original clearance other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Company |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The ATIS reported visual approachs being conducted to runways 26R/27L. Captain said he would fly a visual approach using internal RNAV/VNAV procedures. Selected the RNAV (GPS) runway 26R approach in the FMS database. We recently have been required by the company to fly 3 'RNAV' approachs in VMC conditions. The ILS frequency was tuned up as a back up also. We were on base leg at 5000 ft at about 20 DME. The aircraft in front of us was cleared for the ILS runway 26R approach (atl). We were vectored to dogleg then given an intercept heading. Our clearance was, 'cleared for ILS runway 26R, maintain 5000 ft until freal intersection.' freal is 13.6 DME off the localizer. We set up the aircraft to fly the RNAV approach. The first fix in that approach is 'cales,' approximately 10 mi from runway, altitude at cales of 3500 ft. At about 18 DME, the aircraft descended out of 5000 ft, as it had captured the FMC generated VNAV glidepath. We were still about 4 mi from freal. At approximately 4200 ft, we noticed we had not reached freal yet, leveled off, then pretty much paralleled the ILS GS to landing. Expecting to be cleared for a visual approach, we weren't set up for the ILS. When the ILS approach clearance was given, we should've flown that clearance. ATC did not say anything to us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-800 CREW WAS CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 26R APCH AT ATL. INSTEAD THEY SET THE ACFT UP FOR THE RNAV RWY 26R APCH. THE 2 APCHS DO NOT HAVE COMMON INTXNS OR ALTS. AN ALTDEV RESULTED.
Narrative: THE ATIS RPTED VISUAL APCHS BEING CONDUCTED TO RWYS 26R/27L. CAPT SAID HE WOULD FLY A VISUAL APCH USING INTERNAL RNAV/VNAV PROCS. SELECTED THE RNAV (GPS) RWY 26R APCH IN THE FMS DATABASE. WE RECENTLY HAVE BEEN REQUIRED BY THE COMPANY TO FLY 3 'RNAV' APCHS IN VMC CONDITIONS. THE ILS FREQ WAS TUNED UP AS A BACK UP ALSO. WE WERE ON BASE LEG AT 5000 FT AT ABOUT 20 DME. THE ACFT IN FRONT OF US WAS CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 26R APCH (ATL). WE WERE VECTORED TO DOGLEG THEN GIVEN AN INTERCEPT HEADING. OUR CLRNC WAS, 'CLRED FOR ILS RWY 26R, MAINTAIN 5000 FT UNTIL FREAL INTXN.' FREAL IS 13.6 DME OFF THE LOC. WE SET UP THE ACFT TO FLY THE RNAV APCH. THE FIRST FIX IN THAT APCH IS 'CALES,' APPROX 10 MI FROM RWY, ALT AT CALES OF 3500 FT. AT ABOUT 18 DME, THE ACFT DSNDED OUT OF 5000 FT, AS IT HAD CAPTURED THE FMC GENERATED VNAV GLIDEPATH. WE WERE STILL ABOUT 4 MI FROM FREAL. AT APPROX 4200 FT, WE NOTICED WE HAD NOT REACHED FREAL YET, LEVELED OFF, THEN PRETTY MUCH PARALLELED THE ILS GS TO LNDG. EXPECTING TO BE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH, WE WEREN'T SET UP FOR THE ILS. WHEN THE ILS APCH CLRNC WAS GIVEN, WE SHOULD'VE FLOWN THAT CLRNC. ATC DID NOT SAY ANYTHING TO US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.