A B737 flight crew is concerned that at ewr, their company doesn't offer secondary deicing at the en...

Attributes
ACN	601817
Time
Date	200312
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ewr.airport
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Weather Elements	Snow
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-500
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi ground : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 3500
ASRS Report	601817
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : less severe inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Weather Environmental Factor Company
Primary Problem	Company

Narrative:

Crew was deiced in gate area due to heavy snow occurring in ewr area. Departure allocation was in effect at ewr. Crew was in line for takeoff and did a 'clean wing check' per procedure. Deice fluid had clearly failed, as evidenced by accumulating snow on the wings. Crew returned to gate, refueled and deiced again. Other air carrier aircraft were doing something called 'secondary deice' at the end of the runway. Since nothing was on our 10-7 page about this, I inquired to operations during our visit to the gate as to why this wasn't available for our company. Operations told us that our company had not contracted for this to be available for us. On the second taxi out in the heavy snow, we informed ground that we couldn't join the line like other aircraft as we couldn't use secondary deice. Ewr ground was accommodating and moved us right out to the runway and got us airborne well within published limits on the deice fluid, and after we'd done another clean wing check. Something needs to be on the 10-7 page that our company doesn't do 'secondary deice' at ewr and that our company needs to request 'expedited' handling by ATC at ewr in snow and ice otherwise our aircraft will be put in line behind other aircraft which can be deiced at the end of the runway leading to extensive taxi times and deice fluid failure.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B737 FLT CREW IS CONCERNED THAT AT EWR, THEIR COMPANY DOESN'T OFFER SECONDARY DEICING AT THE END OF THE RWY BUT OTHER AIRLINES DO. THIS MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR ACFT TO LEAVE WITHIN THEIR HOLD OVER TIMES.

Narrative: CREW WAS DEICED IN GATE AREA DUE TO HVY SNOW OCCURRING IN EWR AREA. DEP ALLOCATION WAS IN EFFECT AT EWR. CREW WAS IN LINE FOR TKOF AND DID A 'CLEAN WING CHK' PER PROC. DEICE FLUID HAD CLRLY FAILED, AS EVIDENCED BY ACCUMULATING SNOW ON THE WINGS. CREW RETURNED TO GATE, REFUELED AND DEICED AGAIN. OTHER ACR ACFT WERE DOING SOMETHING CALLED 'SECONDARY DEICE' AT THE END OF THE RWY. SINCE NOTHING WAS ON OUR 10-7 PAGE ABOUT THIS, I INQUIRED TO OPS DURING OUR VISIT TO THE GATE AS TO WHY THIS WASN'T AVAILABLE FOR OUR COMPANY. OPS TOLD US THAT OUR COMPANY HAD NOT CONTRACTED FOR THIS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR US. ON THE SECOND TAXI OUT IN THE HVY SNOW, WE INFORMED GND THAT WE COULDN'T JOIN THE LINE LIKE OTHER ACFT AS WE COULDN'T USE SECONDARY DEICE. EWR GND WAS ACCOMMODATING AND MOVED US RIGHT OUT TO THE RWY AND GOT US AIRBORNE WELL WITHIN PUBLISHED LIMITS ON THE DEICE FLUID, AND AFTER WE'D DONE ANOTHER CLEAN WING CHK. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ON THE 10-7 PAGE THAT OUR COMPANY DOESN'T DO 'SECONDARY DEICE' AT EWR AND THAT OUR COMPANY NEEDS TO REQUEST 'EXPEDITED' HANDLING BY ATC AT EWR IN SNOW AND ICE OTHERWISE OUR ACFT WILL BE PUT IN LINE BEHIND OTHER ACFT WHICH CAN BE DEICED AT THE END OF THE RWY LEADING TO EXTENSIVE TAXI TIMES AND DEICE FLUID FAILURE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A B737 flight crew is concerned that at ewr, their company doesn't offer secondary deicing at the end of the runway but other airlines do. This makes it very hard for aircraft to leave within their hold over times.