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Attributes | |
ACN | 603038 |
Time | |
Date | 200312 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mynn.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : egll.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Super King Air 300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 603038 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Captain obtained briefing. While landing, noticed no VASI, all runway light on for the entire length and non-standard lighting (no red terminating bars). After landing advised by tower that runway displaced 3000 ft and we had landed short on closed portion. Runway was notamed displaced 3000 ft. Had been so for 3 yrs. NOTAM not obtained by captain during brief. Commercial chart depicts 11000 ft with no displacement. Factors: 1) NOTAM not received. 2) runway lights on, including closed portion. 3) first landing at airport for crew. 4) no vertical guidance (VASI, GS). 5) aircraft ahead did same thing I followed him down. 6) commercial plate shows no displacement. I know commercial company typically won't make temperature changes, but it's been displaced for three years, how about a little help. Corrective actions: 1) called company and had them add a note for crews. 2) assure all NOTAMS received. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: upon callback, reporter stated that they had not received any NOTAM, there was no ATIS message, there were no indications on the airport diagram and tower offered no information about the displaced threshold. This combined with the fact that the entire runway was lit, led to this incident. The reporter also stated that there was no VASI or instrument system to help them realize that they were to land long. He did admit that there were green runway bars 3000 ft down the runway, but they were very hard to see with the entire runway lit and the fact that they were not expecting the runway to be displaced. The reporter stated that there were three aircraft in a row that also landed on the closed portion, which led the tower to clear aircraft stating, 'aircraft X cleared to land runway 32, first 3000 ft closed.' the tower indicated that this configuration has been like this for three yrs. The reporter would like some way for pilots to know about the displaced threshold.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE30 FLT CREW INADVERTENTLY LAND ON A CLOSED PORTION ON RWY 32 AT NIGHT.
Narrative: CAPT OBTAINED BRIEFING. WHILE LNDG, NOTICED NO VASI, ALL RWY LIGHT ON FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH AND NON-STANDARD LIGHTING (NO RED TERMINATING BARS). AFTER LNDG ADVISED BY TWR THAT RWY DISPLACED 3000 FT AND WE HAD LANDED SHORT ON CLOSED PORTION. RWY WAS NOTAMED DISPLACED 3000 FT. HAD BEEN SO FOR 3 YRS. NOTAM NOT OBTAINED BY CAPT DURING BRIEF. COMMERCIAL CHART DEPICTS 11000 FT WITH NO DISPLACEMENT. FACTORS: 1) NOTAM NOT RECEIVED. 2) RWY LIGHTS ON, INCLUDING CLOSED PORTION. 3) FIRST LNDG AT ARPT FOR CREW. 4) NO VERTICAL GUIDANCE (VASI, GS). 5) ACFT AHEAD DID SAME THING I FOLLOWED HIM DOWN. 6) COMMERCIAL PLATE SHOWS NO DISPLACEMENT. I KNOW COMMERCIAL COMPANY TYPICALLY WON'T MAKE TEMP CHANGES, BUT IT'S BEEN DISPLACED FOR THREE YEARS, HOW ABOUT A LITTLE HELP. CORRECTIVE ACTIONS: 1) CALLED COMPANY AND HAD THEM ADD A NOTE FOR CREWS. 2) ASSURE ALL NOTAMS RECEIVED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: UPON CALLBACK, RPTR STATED THAT THEY HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY NOTAM, THERE WAS NO ATIS MESSAGE, THERE WERE NO INDICATIONS ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM AND TWR OFFERED NO INFO ABOUT THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD. THIS COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE RWY WAS LIT, LED TO THIS INCIDENT. THE RPTR ALSO STATED THAT THERE WAS NO VASI OR INSTRUMENT SYSTEM TO HELP THEM REALIZE THAT THEY WERE TO LAND LONG. HE DID ADMIT THAT THERE WERE GREEN RWY BARS 3000 FT DOWN THE RWY, BUT THEY WERE VERY HARD TO SEE WITH THE ENTIRE RWY LIT AND THE FACT THAT THEY WERE NOT EXPECTING THE RWY TO BE DISPLACED. THE RPTR STATED THAT THERE WERE THREE ACFT IN A ROW THAT ALSO LANDED ON THE CLOSED PORTION, WHICH LED THE TWR TO CLR ACFT STATING, 'ACFT X CLRED TO LAND RWY 32, FIRST 3000 FT CLOSED.' THE TWR INDICATED THAT THIS CONFIGURATION HAS BEEN LIKE THIS FOR THREE YRS. THE RPTR WOULD LIKE SOME WAY FOR PLTS TO KNOW ABOUT THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.