Instructor and student pilot training at a CTAF airport making touch and go lndgs continue a landing...

Attributes
ACN	603295
Time
Date	200312
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ccb.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Cessna 152
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing : roll
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 585 flight time type : 130
ASRS Report	603295
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Miss Distance	horizontal : 2000
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

On dec/wed/03, I was giving flight instruction to a student pilot at cable airport in upland, ca. The area had very few aircraft flying when the lesson on lndgs started but became busy as the time went on. We found ourselves in the pattern trailing about 1 mi behind a C172 and another cessna aircraft was behind us. With a few other aircraft in the pattern, a flight of 5 experimental rv's report entering the overhead approach from the north. While on final, I was busy giving instructions to my student and looking for other traffic and I momentarily lost visual contact with the C172 when we were on short final for runway 24. When we were over the threshold I saw that the C172 had landed and stopped on the left edge of the runway to allow a multi-engine aircraft to taxi by. I noted that the C172 began to move forward to the taxiway, so I continued to instruct my student through the touchdown. The C172 was approximately 2000 ft away when we landed and both aircraft were on the runway for no more than 3 seconds. The C172 was clear and my student executed a touch and go. A safety counselor that was in the C172 commented on the radio that we should not have landed. Upon completion of the flight lesson, I talked things over with my student and we thought that although our actions were safe and presented no harm to the C172, that a go around might have been a better decision. I later called the safety counselor on the phone to talk things over with him. He started the conversation with threatening that he could be very mean to me. I tried to explain things from my point of view and he did not allow me to continue. I asked him as to which far I had broken and he said I could look it up myself. He became angry, called me stupid, and told me he was an airline pilot with lots of experience. He demanded my full name and I did not give it to him. After another vulgar remark to me, I ended the phone call. The entire event has bothered me and so I decided to report it.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT PLT TRAINING AT A CTAF ARPT MAKING TOUCH AND GO LNDGS CONTINUE A LNDG WITH A C172 STILL ON THE RWY.

Narrative: ON DEC/WED/03, I WAS GIVING FLT INSTRUCTION TO A STUDENT PLT AT CABLE ARPT IN UPLAND, CA. THE AREA HAD VERY FEW ACFT FLYING WHEN THE LESSON ON LNDGS STARTED BUT BECAME BUSY AS THE TIME WENT ON. WE FOUND OURSELVES IN THE PATTERN TRAILING ABOUT 1 MI BEHIND A C172 AND ANOTHER CESSNA ACFT WAS BEHIND US. WITH A FEW OTHER ACFT IN THE PATTERN, A FLT OF 5 EXPERIMENTAL RV'S RPT ENTERING THE OVERHEAD APCH FROM THE N. WHILE ON FINAL, I WAS BUSY GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TO MY STUDENT AND LOOKING FOR OTHER TFC AND I MOMENTARILY LOST VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE C172 WHEN WE WERE ON SHORT FINAL FOR RWY 24. WHEN WE WERE OVER THE THRESHOLD I SAW THAT THE C172 HAD LANDED AND STOPPED ON THE L EDGE OF THE RWY TO ALLOW A MULTI-ENG ACFT TO TAXI BY. I NOTED THAT THE C172 BEGAN TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE TXWY, SO I CONTINUED TO INSTRUCT MY STUDENT THROUGH THE TOUCHDOWN. THE C172 WAS APPROX 2000 FT AWAY WHEN WE LANDED AND BOTH ACFT WERE ON THE RWY FOR NO MORE THAN 3 SECONDS. THE C172 WAS CLR AND MY STUDENT EXECUTED A TOUCH AND GO. A SAFETY COUNSELOR THAT WAS IN THE C172 COMMENTED ON THE RADIO THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LANDED. UPON COMPLETION OF THE FLT LESSON, I TALKED THINGS OVER WITH MY STUDENT AND WE THOUGHT THAT ALTHOUGH OUR ACTIONS WERE SAFE AND PRESENTED NO HARM TO THE C172, THAT A GAR MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BETTER DECISION. I LATER CALLED THE SAFETY COUNSELOR ON THE PHONE TO TALK THINGS OVER WITH HIM. HE STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH THREATENING THAT HE COULD BE VERY MEAN TO ME. I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THINGS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW AND HE DID NOT ALLOW ME TO CONTINUE. I ASKED HIM AS TO WHICH FAR I HAD BROKEN AND HE SAID I COULD LOOK IT UP MYSELF. HE BECAME ANGRY, CALLED ME STUPID, AND TOLD ME HE WAS AN AIRLINE PLT WITH LOTS OF EXPERIENCE. HE DEMANDED MY FULL NAME AND I DID NOT GIVE IT TO HIM. AFTER ANOTHER VULGAR REMARK TO ME, I ENDED THE PHONE CALL. THE ENTIRE EVENT HAS BOTHERED ME AND SO I DECIDED TO RPT IT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Instructor and student pilot training at a CTAF airport making touch and go lndgs continue a landing with a C172 still on the runway.