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Attributes | |
ACN | 605023 |
Time | |
Date | 200312 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hnl.airport |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | msl single value : 33000 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhn.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 227 flight time total : 10300 flight time type : 1250 |
ASRS Report | 605023 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other other : person 2 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Cabin Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
After departing koa on a B757, we diverted into hnl due to an engine related EICAS. When maintenance could not clear the malfunction, an equipment substitution was made to a B767-300. Due to cockpit crew duty limits, all efforts to get the door closed 'in time' were made by the station. The aircraft initially was not catered with any provisions, and the captain made it clear we would not depart without, at least, cups for water. Station personnel came on at the last min with boxes of provisions (we were very busy in the cockpit, and neither crew member actually went back to see what was actually boarded). The 'a' flight attendant announced she was now satisfied with the provisions boarded, and the door was closed. In-flight, about 2 hours out of hnl, a crew break was requested. The flight attendant informed us for the first time that there were no galley carts on board. Improvisation was required for crew breaks. Neither pilot considered the lack of galley cart to be of any real significance, other than for security reasons. Ferry flts often depart without galley carts, so this confign was not unknown to us. If galley carts are, part of weight and balance, then one questions whether our weight manifest was accurate? On ferry flts, is the weight manifest accurate? If galley carts are not part of the weight and balance, then this report is merely to note the deviation from normal security practices.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767-300 PLT QUESTIONS ACCURACY OF WT MANIFEST ON A FERRY FLT DEPARTING HNL WITH NO GALLEY CARTS.
Narrative: AFTER DEPARTING KOA ON A B757, WE DIVERTED INTO HNL DUE TO AN ENG RELATED EICAS. WHEN MAINT COULD NOT CLR THE MALFUNCTION, AN EQUIP SUBSTITUTION WAS MADE TO A B767-300. DUE TO COCKPIT CREW DUTY LIMITS, ALL EFFORTS TO GET THE DOOR CLOSED 'IN TIME' WERE MADE BY THE STATION. THE ACFT INITIALLY WAS NOT CATERED WITH ANY PROVISIONS, AND THE CAPT MADE IT CLR WE WOULD NOT DEPART WITHOUT, AT LEAST, CUPS FOR WATER. STATION PERSONNEL CAME ON AT THE LAST MIN WITH BOXES OF PROVISIONS (WE WERE VERY BUSY IN THE COCKPIT, AND NEITHER CREW MEMBER ACTUALLY WENT BACK TO SEE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BOARDED). THE 'A' FLT ATTENDANT ANNOUNCED SHE WAS NOW SATISFIED WITH THE PROVISIONS BOARDED, AND THE DOOR WAS CLOSED. INFLT, ABOUT 2 HRS OUT OF HNL, A CREW BREAK WAS REQUESTED. THE FLT ATTENDANT INFORMED US FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THERE WERE NO GALLEY CARTS ON BOARD. IMPROVISATION WAS REQUIRED FOR CREW BREAKS. NEITHER PLT CONSIDERED THE LACK OF GALLEY CART TO BE OF ANY REAL SIGNIFICANCE, OTHER THAN FOR SECURITY REASONS. FERRY FLTS OFTEN DEPART WITHOUT GALLEY CARTS, SO THIS CONFIGN WAS NOT UNKNOWN TO US. IF GALLEY CARTS ARE, PART OF WT AND BAL, THEN ONE QUESTIONS WHETHER OUR WT MANIFEST WAS ACCURATE? ON FERRY FLTS, IS THE WT MANIFEST ACCURATE? IF GALLEY CARTS ARE NOT PART OF THE WT AND BAL, THEN THIS RPT IS MERELY TO NOTE THE DEV FROM NORMAL SECURITY PRACTICES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.