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Attributes | |
ACN | 607060 |
Time | |
Date | 200402 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-11 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Make Model Name | M-20 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 76 flight time total : 18300 flight time type : 143 |
ASRS Report | 607060 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 49 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 332 |
ASRS Report | 607065 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We made the visual approach to runway 25L at lax, backed up by the ILS. The first officer was flying. At 1000 ft AGL, the approach was not stable correctly, so we initiated a go around. The tower controller had us level at 2000 ft and turn to a 220 degree heading. Then we changed to approach control. We were given a 190 degree heading, followed by a turn to 020 degrees and a climb to 3000 ft, which took us up into the VFR corridor. Then we were turned to a 350 degree heading and told to climb to 4000 ft. During this time, the controller called out numerous traffic alerts. One was a single engine cessna at about our 2 O'clock position, converging on us as we climbed through his altitude. I was just ready to order a descent when the cessna spotted us and turned sharply left to pass behind us. As he went behind, the TCASII issued an RA, quickly followed by an all clear call. Then the controller called another alert for a plane at our 11 O'clock position, and at 3500 ft, which was just about our altitude also. We saw what looked like a mooney pass quickly on our left from front to back, probably not more than 1000 ft away, and at our altitude. After it passed, the TCASII issued another RA, again quickly followed by an all clear call. We exceeded our assigned 4000 ft by about 200 ft and then quickly returned to it. Further vectoring took us over the top of the airport to the north, then east just past the end of the runways, then south across the final approachs, east again on downwind, a base leg, and finally we completed a visual approach to runway 25L. Was it really necessary to climb us into the VFR corridor? We expected and wanted a simple turn back to a left downwind to runway 25L.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD11 FLT CREW ON GAR AT LAX EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING VECTORS AND VFR TFC.
Narrative: WE MADE THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25L AT LAX, BACKED UP BY THE ILS. THE FO WAS FLYING. AT 1000 FT AGL, THE APCH WAS NOT STABLE CORRECTLY, SO WE INITIATED A GAR. THE TWR CTLR HAD US LEVEL AT 2000 FT AND TURN TO A 220 DEG HDG. THEN WE CHANGED TO APCH CTL. WE WERE GIVEN A 190 DEG HDG, FOLLOWED BY A TURN TO 020 DEGS AND A CLB TO 3000 FT, WHICH TOOK US UP INTO THE VFR CORRIDOR. THEN WE WERE TURNED TO A 350 DEG HDG AND TOLD TO CLB TO 4000 FT. DURING THIS TIME, THE CTLR CALLED OUT NUMEROUS TFC ALERTS. ONE WAS A SINGLE ENG CESSNA AT ABOUT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS, CONVERGING ON US AS WE CLBED THROUGH HIS ALT. I WAS JUST READY TO ORDER A DSCNT WHEN THE CESSNA SPOTTED US AND TURNED SHARPLY L TO PASS BEHIND US. AS HE WENT BEHIND, THE TCASII ISSUED AN RA, QUICKLY FOLLOWED BY AN ALL CLR CALL. THEN THE CTLR CALLED ANOTHER ALERT FOR A PLANE AT OUR 11 O'CLOCK POS, AND AT 3500 FT, WHICH WAS JUST ABOUT OUR ALT ALSO. WE SAW WHAT LOOKED LIKE A MOONEY PASS QUICKLY ON OUR L FROM FRONT TO BACK, PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN 1000 FT AWAY, AND AT OUR ALT. AFTER IT PASSED, THE TCASII ISSUED ANOTHER RA, AGAIN QUICKLY FOLLOWED BY AN ALL CLR CALL. WE EXCEEDED OUR ASSIGNED 4000 FT BY ABOUT 200 FT AND THEN QUICKLY RETURNED TO IT. FURTHER VECTORING TOOK US OVER THE TOP OF THE ARPT TO THE N, THEN E JUST PAST THE END OF THE RWYS, THEN S ACROSS THE FINAL APCHS, E AGAIN ON DOWNWIND, A BASE LEG, AND FINALLY WE COMPLETED A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25L. WAS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO CLB US INTO THE VFR CORRIDOR? WE EXPECTED AND WANTED A SIMPLE TURN BACK TO A L DOWNWIND TO RWY 25L.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.