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Attributes | |
ACN | 607993 |
Time | |
Date | 200402 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : tay.vortac |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 28000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 607993 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : wx radar other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Facility FAA |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zma.artcc |
Narrative:
In level flight, ATC was assigning heading due to volume of traffic leaving fl and a line of level 3 - 4 trws, with associated turbulence. I was assigned a heading of 350 degrees by ATC. My radar showed a level 4 trw on this heading. I asked controller how long I would be on this heading. He replied for awhile due to traffic at FL270 off my right. I advised ATC that this heading would take me into a cell I was showing on my radar. Controller did not acknowledge my xmissions after that. I called several times requesting a turn of 20 degrees to the right to a heading of 010 degrees. ATC did not answer any of my calls. I finally told ATC that I would have to declare an emergency and that we were turning to a heading of 010 degrees. ATC answered and said I couldn't turn due to traffic off to my right at FL270. I told him I could not continue on his assigned heading. We turned and I advised ATC of heading. He rogered my call and asked me to proceed direct taylor when clear of trw and WX line. After about 20 miles on 010 degrees heading, we cleared the line of WX. I advised ATC we were direct taylor and picking our speed back. I guess controller thought that by not answering, I would stay on heading and fly through level 4 trw and associated moderate turbulence. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated ZMA controller asked if he could climb to a higher altitude. Reporter told ZMA unable due to operational restrictions they had only one operational bleed air pack. The reporter again advised ZMA of a need for a heading change. ZMA told the reporter that he was the only one wanting a heading change and to maintain present heading. Reporter advised ZMA that company provides additional WX text, stating that he was about to enter an area of thunderstorm activity which he could verify on his WX radar, and he needed to turn. Reporter stated that he gave ZMA another minute to respond, and ZMA did not. The reporter then transmitted on frequency that if needed, he would declare an emergency, but he was turning to avoid WX. It was at that time that ZMA responded. 'You don't really need to do that, do you? There's just too much paperwork involved. Ok, just advise me when you can turn back to taylor (VORTAC). Verify you're not declaring an emergency.' the reporter alleges he heard other aircraft on the frequency complaining about thunderstorm activity and turbulence, so he knew he was not the only one experiencing problems. Reporter alleges that he incurs this problem lack of controller response for WX diversions specifically in ZMA and ZJX airspace, and can not remember this 'lack of concern in any other part of the country.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 FLT CREW CHALLENGE ZMA FOR HDG CHANGE DUE TO WX RADAR INDICATED TSTM ACTIVITY. INITIALLY DENIED BY ZMA, FLT CREW THREATEN TO DECLARE EMER BEFORE ZMA RELENTS AND REQUESTS ADVISORY WHEN THEY CAN PROCEED BACK ON COURSE.
Narrative: IN LEVEL FLT, ATC WAS ASSIGNING HDG DUE TO VOLUME OF TRAFFIC LEAVING FL AND A LINE OF LEVEL 3 - 4 TRWS, WITH ASSOCIATED TURB. I WAS ASSIGNED A HDG OF 350 DEGS BY ATC. MY RADAR SHOWED A LEVEL 4 TRW ON THIS HDG. I ASKED CTLR HOW LONG I WOULD BE ON THIS HDG. HE REPLIED FOR AWHILE DUE TO TFC AT FL270 OFF MY RIGHT. I ADVISED ATC THAT THIS HDG WOULD TAKE ME INTO A CELL I WAS SHOWING ON MY RADAR. CTLR DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE MY XMISSIONS AFTER THAT. I CALLED SEVERAL TIMES REQUESTING A TURN OF 20 DEGS TO THE R TO A HDG OF 010 DEGS. ATC DID NOT ANSWER ANY OF MY CALLS. I FINALLY TOLD ATC THAT I WOULD HAVE TO DECLARE AN EMER AND THAT WE WERE TURNING TO A HDG OF 010 DEGS. ATC ANSWERED AND SAID I COULDN'T TURN DUE TO TFC OFF TO MY R AT FL270. I TOLD HIM I COULD NOT CONTINUE ON HIS ASSIGNED HDG. WE TURNED AND I ADVISED ATC OF HDG. HE ROGERED MY CALL AND ASKED ME TO PROCEED DIRECT TAYLOR WHEN CLEAR OF TRW AND WX LINE. AFTER ABOUT 20 MILES ON 010 DEGS HDG, WE CLEARED THE LINE OF WX. I ADVISED ATC WE WERE DIRECT TAYLOR AND PICKING OUR SPEED BACK. I GUESS CTLR THOUGHT THAT BY NOT ANSWERING, I WOULD STAY ON HDG AND FLY THROUGH LEVEL 4 TRW AND ASSOCIATED MODERATE TURB. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED ZMA CTLR ASKED IF HE COULD CLB TO A HIGHER ALT. RPTR TOLD ZMA UNABLE DUE TO OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS THEY HAD ONLY ONE OPERATIONAL BLEED AIR PACK. THE RPTR AGAIN ADVISED ZMA OF A NEED FOR A HDG CHANGE. ZMA TOLD THE RPTR THAT HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WANTING A HDG CHANGE AND TO MAINTAIN PRESENT HDG. RPTR ADVISED ZMA THAT COMPANY PROVIDES ADDITIONAL WX TEXT, STATING THAT HE WAS ABOUT TO ENTER AN AREA OF TSTM ACTIVITY WHICH HE COULD VERIFY ON HIS WX RADAR, AND HE NEEDED TO TURN. RPTR STATED THAT HE GAVE ZMA ANOTHER MINUTE TO RESPOND, AND ZMA DID NOT. THE RPTR THEN XMITTED ON FREQ THAT IF NEEDED, HE WOULD DECLARE AN EMER, BUT HE WAS TURNING TO AVOID WX. IT WAS AT THAT TIME THAT ZMA RESPONDED. 'YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO THAT, DO YOU? THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH PAPERWORK INVOLVED. OK, JUST ADVISE ME WHEN YOU CAN TURN BACK TO TAYLOR (VORTAC). VERIFY YOU'RE NOT DECLARING AN EMER.' THE RPTR ALLEGES HE HEARD OTHER ACFT ON THE FREQ COMPLAINING ABOUT TSTM ACTIVITY AND TURB, SO HE KNEW HE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE EXPERIENCING PROBS. RPTR ALLEGES THAT HE INCURS THIS PROB LACK OF CTLR RESPONSE FOR WX DIVERSIONS SPECIFICALLY IN ZMA AND ZJX AIRSPACE, AND CAN NOT REMEMBER THIS 'LACK OF CONCERN IN ANY OTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.