C560 crew landing teb receive controller's ire when they refuse to fly 210 KTS below 3000 ft.

Attributes
ACN	608947
Time
Date	200402
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Citation Excel
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 6100 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	608947
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : far non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance none taken : unable
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

The new york class B airspace has numerous corridors and altitude changes. The highest lower limit of this class B airspace is 3000 ft. When we briefed the approach, we noted that we would reduce to 200 KTS when we descended below 3000 ft to comply with 14 crash fire rescue equipment 91.117C. Although it may have been possible to have been within the class B airspace below 3000 ft MSL, we had too many other tasks to verify range from the primary airport. We planned to slow descending out of 3000 ft MSL. We had also briefed the mandatory crossing restr of 1500 ft MSL at dandy intersection. We were being vectored for an ILS runway 6 approach to teb at 4300 ft MSL. While in the class B airspace, we were assigned an airspeed of 250 KTS. ATC issued a descent to 2000 ft MSL and an approach clearance. We accepted the clearance, but informed ATC our speed would now be 200 KTS. ATC responded with 'maintain 210 KTS.' we responded with 'our speed will be 200 KT.' the controller was quite annoyed and several more times tried to get us to accept 210 KTS. Several more times I said I could only do 200 KTS. The controller was almost picking a fight with us over the speed issue. I tried to diffuse the discussion that went on for over 1 min during the approach, but the controller relented. Because of the distraction, we missed a mandatory crossing altitude at dandy intersection. We were well aware of the crossing restr, but the argument with ATC distraction us so much that we missed the altitude.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: C560 CREW LNDG TEB RECEIVE CTLR'S IRE WHEN THEY REFUSE TO FLY 210 KTS BELOW 3000 FT.

Narrative: THE NEW YORK CLASS B AIRSPACE HAS NUMEROUS CORRIDORS AND ALT CHANGES. THE HIGHEST LOWER LIMIT OF THIS CLASS B AIRSPACE IS 3000 FT. WHEN WE BRIEFED THE APCH, WE NOTED THAT WE WOULD REDUCE TO 200 KTS WHEN WE DSNDED BELOW 3000 FT TO COMPLY WITH 14 CFR 91.117C. ALTHOUGH IT MAY HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO HAVE BEEN WITHIN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE BELOW 3000 FT MSL, WE HAD TOO MANY OTHER TASKS TO VERIFY RANGE FROM THE PRIMARY ARPT. WE PLANNED TO SLOW DSNDING OUT OF 3000 FT MSL. WE HAD ALSO BRIEFED THE MANDATORY XING RESTR OF 1500 FT MSL AT DANDY INTXN. WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR AN ILS RWY 6 APCH TO TEB AT 4300 FT MSL. WHILE IN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE, WE WERE ASSIGNED AN AIRSPD OF 250 KTS. ATC ISSUED A DSCNT TO 2000 FT MSL AND AN APCH CLRNC. WE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC, BUT INFORMED ATC OUR SPD WOULD NOW BE 200 KTS. ATC RESPONDED WITH 'MAINTAIN 210 KTS.' WE RESPONDED WITH 'OUR SPD WILL BE 200 KT.' THE CTLR WAS QUITE ANNOYED AND SEVERAL MORE TIMES TRIED TO GET US TO ACCEPT 210 KTS. SEVERAL MORE TIMES I SAID I COULD ONLY DO 200 KTS. THE CTLR WAS ALMOST PICKING A FIGHT WITH US OVER THE SPD ISSUE. I TRIED TO DIFFUSE THE DISCUSSION THAT WENT ON FOR OVER 1 MIN DURING THE APCH, BUT THE CTLR RELENTED. BECAUSE OF THE DISTR, WE MISSED A MANDATORY XING ALT AT DANDY INTXN. WE WERE WELL AWARE OF THE XING RESTR, BUT THE ARGUMENT WITH ATC DISTR US SO MUCH THAT WE MISSED THE ALT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.