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Attributes | |
ACN | 614339 |
Time | |
Date | 200404 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : tth.vortac |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | controller : radar controller : non radar controller : military pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | controller military : 1 controller non radar : 25 controller radar : 15 flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 614339 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/ mode c other controllera other flight crewa |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
The FSS WX briefing at XA00 that morning included the location of the above tfr. Apparently I wrote 5000 ft MSL instead of 5000 ft AGL as the top of the tfr area. With a +/-500 ft ground level, this put me 100 ft below the top of the tfr area (cruise altitude of 5500 ft MSL). I would urge that tfr tops be given in ft above MSL. Was the decision to use AGL made by a non pilot? Some charts may not show a ground level in the tfr zone. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter said the tfr was a 5 mi radius and believed it was for a power plant in the area. He said he was not requested to call ATC after landing or asked for pilot information.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA PLT BELIEVES TFR ALTS SHOULD BE SHOWN IN FT ABOVE MSL RATHER THAN FT AGL.
Narrative: THE FSS WX BRIEFING AT XA00 THAT MORNING INCLUDED THE LOCATION OF THE ABOVE TFR. APPARENTLY I WROTE 5000 FT MSL INSTEAD OF 5000 FT AGL AS THE TOP OF THE TFR AREA. WITH A +/-500 FT GND LEVEL, THIS PUT ME 100 FT BELOW THE TOP OF THE TFR AREA (CRUISE ALT OF 5500 FT MSL). I WOULD URGE THAT TFR TOPS BE GIVEN IN FT ABOVE MSL. WAS THE DECISION TO USE AGL MADE BY A NON PLT? SOME CHARTS MAY NOT SHOW A GND LEVEL IN THE TFR ZONE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR SAID THE TFR WAS A 5 MI RADIUS AND BELIEVED IT WAS FOR A PWR PLANT IN THE AREA. HE SAID HE WAS NOT REQUESTED TO CALL ATC AFTER LNDG OR ASKED FOR PLT INFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.