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Attributes | |
ACN | 618571 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 32l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
ASRS Report | 618571 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Aircraft ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : c90.tracon |
Narrative:
We were vectored to the ILS runway 32L at ord. Approach had slowed us to 190 KTS and we were maintaining 4000 ft. The controller turned us to a heading of 340 degrees and cleared us for the ILS runway 32L, maintain 4000 ft until established. The first officer (PF) armed the autoplt for the ILS. The autoplt captured the GS and began a descent just prior to the localizer being captured. The first officer disconnected the autoplt, shallowed the descent rate, captured the localizer and completed an uneventful ILS runway 32L. We had a similar turn onto runway 14R last month. In both cases the 4000 ft restr until established puts the aircraft well above the GS requiring considerable drag in order to capture the GS from above. I have discussed these with several other capts and we all agree that either a lower altitude should be issued or the aircraft vectored onto the ILS at a greater distance from the final fix. Either of these procedures would result in a smoother transition to the ILS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF B763 RPTS C90 APCH CTLRS ARE VECTORING ACFT AT ASSIGNED SPDS AND HDGS THAT RESULT IN GS INTERCEPT DSCNT PRIOR TO LOC CAPTURE.
Narrative: WE WERE VECTORED TO THE ILS RWY 32L AT ORD. APCH HAD SLOWED US TO 190 KTS AND WE WERE MAINTAINING 4000 FT. THE CTLR TURNED US TO A HDG OF 340 DEGS AND CLRED US FOR THE ILS RWY 32L, MAINTAIN 4000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED. THE FO (PF) ARMED THE AUTOPLT FOR THE ILS. THE AUTOPLT CAPTURED THE GS AND BEGAN A DSCNT JUST PRIOR TO THE LOC BEING CAPTURED. THE FO DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT, SHALLOWED THE DSCNT RATE, CAPTURED THE LOC AND COMPLETED AN UNEVENTFUL ILS RWY 32L. WE HAD A SIMILAR TURN ONTO RWY 14R LAST MONTH. IN BOTH CASES THE 4000 FT RESTR UNTIL ESTABLISHED PUTS THE ACFT WELL ABOVE THE GS REQUIRING CONSIDERABLE DRAG IN ORDER TO CAPTURE THE GS FROM ABOVE. I HAVE DISCUSSED THESE WITH SEVERAL OTHER CAPTS AND WE ALL AGREE THAT EITHER A LOWER ALT SHOULD BE ISSUED OR THE ACFT VECTORED ONTO THE ILS AT A GREATER DISTANCE FROM THE FINAL FIX. EITHER OF THESE PROCS WOULD RESULT IN A SMOOTHER TRANSITION TO THE ILS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.