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Attributes | |
ACN | 619293 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : azo.airport |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : azo.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : azo.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 619293 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne critical non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Navigational Facility FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Departure controller vectored us onto an intercept course with 2 aircraft -- 1 below and 1 above. 1 was 300 ft above, and 1 was 400 ft below us. 2 separate and conflicting RA's were issued. We deviated from clearance of 3000 ft up to 3300 ft, and then below 3000 ft to 2600 ft to comply with 'climb, climb' and 'descend, descend now' until 'clear of conflict,' then we returned to 3000 ft. Controller said it was 'adequate separation.' this was not only dangerous, but also reckless disregard for safety.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CARJ EXPERIENCED MULTIPLE TCASII RA'S AND TA'S DURING VECTOR FROM AZO APCH CTL AT 3000 FT.
Narrative: DEP CTLR VECTORED US ONTO AN INTERCEPT COURSE WITH 2 ACFT -- 1 BELOW AND 1 ABOVE. 1 WAS 300 FT ABOVE, AND 1 WAS 400 FT BELOW US. 2 SEPARATE AND CONFLICTING RA'S WERE ISSUED. WE DEVIATED FROM CLRNC OF 3000 FT UP TO 3300 FT, AND THEN BELOW 3000 FT TO 2600 FT TO COMPLY WITH 'CLB, CLB' AND 'DSND, DSND NOW' UNTIL 'CLR OF CONFLICT,' THEN WE RETURNED TO 3000 FT. CTLR SAID IT WAS 'ADEQUATE SEPARATION.' THIS WAS NOT ONLY DANGEROUS, BUT ALSO RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR SAFETY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.