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Attributes | |
ACN | 619922 |
Time | |
Date | 200406 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iah.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : iah.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 800 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 619922 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : company policies other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Unstabilized approach by captain. Right downwind for ILS runway 27, no significant traffic due to regional WX. ATC warned us, then turned us in for a tight final (plenty of warning, before abeam numbers). Captain turned base. I updated FMC because he was inside active waypoint and sequencing was not occurring (I communicated this). I communicated that he was approaching 1700 ft, with no flaps or gear. Captured final. After repeatedly telling this brain surgeon that he had a clean wing and no gear and was flying at 210 KTS at 1500 ft, the captain started to configure for landing. I proceeded to suggest that he consider a missed approach, traffic and WX was light at the field. I made this suggestion at least 3 times. I made the judgement call that wrestling for control and taking a light B737-300 on a missed approach was more hazardous than letting my 'mentor' land midfield with 5000 ft to stop. I would have, followed by a 'cp' office visit, if this situation degraded any further. My complaint is not the initial human error, but the disregard for competent helpful crew input. This as soon as possible report would not have been filed if he had missed and tried again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF B737-500 CONTINUES UNSTABILIZED APCH TO LNDG AT IAH DESPITE PROTESTATIONS OF FO.
Narrative: UNSTABILIZED APCH BY CAPT. R DOWNWIND FOR ILS RWY 27, NO SIGNIFICANT TFC DUE TO REGIONAL WX. ATC WARNED US, THEN TURNED US IN FOR A TIGHT FINAL (PLENTY OF WARNING, BEFORE ABEAM NUMBERS). CAPT TURNED BASE. I UPDATED FMC BECAUSE HE WAS INSIDE ACTIVE WAYPOINT AND SEQUENCING WAS NOT OCCURRING (I COMMUNICATED THIS). I COMMUNICATED THAT HE WAS APCHING 1700 FT, WITH NO FLAPS OR GEAR. CAPTURED FINAL. AFTER REPEATEDLY TELLING THIS BRAIN SURGEON THAT HE HAD A CLEAN WING AND NO GEAR AND WAS FLYING AT 210 KTS AT 1500 FT, THE CAPT STARTED TO CONFIGURE FOR LNDG. I PROCEEDED TO SUGGEST THAT HE CONSIDER A MISSED APCH, TFC AND WX WAS LIGHT AT THE FIELD. I MADE THIS SUGGESTION AT LEAST 3 TIMES. I MADE THE JUDGEMENT CALL THAT WRESTLING FOR CTL AND TAKING A LIGHT B737-300 ON A MISSED APCH WAS MORE HAZARDOUS THAN LETTING MY 'MENTOR' LAND MIDFIELD WITH 5000 FT TO STOP. I WOULD HAVE, FOLLOWED BY A 'CP' OFFICE VISIT, IF THIS SIT DEGRADED ANY FURTHER. MY COMPLAINT IS NOT THE INITIAL HUMAN ERROR, BUT THE DISREGARD FOR COMPETENT HELPFUL CREW INPUT. THIS ASAP RPT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FILED IF HE HAD MISSED AND TRIED AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.